Angel question (don't read if you haven't seen the last episode)

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So, apparently it seems that all one has to do is recover your grace, if you want to take a human joyride. Right?


So that raises some troubling questions. Can a fallen angel turned demon recover his or her grace? Do other angels carry fallen graces on them (as Uriel did)? Is Uriel in trouble for laying "claim" to Anna's grace? Does having multiple graces make a stronger angel?


These questions make me wonder who has Lucifer's grace. I mean will that be a new quest for the Winchesters? Maybe that's what Azazel wanted Sam for. Some kind of grace metal detector? I have been getting the feeling that Ruby is working against the other demons on more than one level. Like perhaps working for Lucifer. I mean look at the evidence. Meg stated that she wasn't sure there even was a Lucifer. We know she wasn't a very "nice" demon. If we assume the other mainstream demons feel the same, perhaps Ruby is going against the grain to procure Lucifer's grace for him and help him rise up against god. Who knows stranger things have happened in this crazy show. Also, wasn't Azazel a fallen angel? Maybe he wanted to find his grace and overthrow god, leaving Lucifer out of the loop.


One more question, what will be the consquences for Anna? Will she remember everything and somehow keep a portion of her humanity?


I don't know. I just like over-analyzing everything.

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Nov 24, 2008 5:11PM EST

Men! People say I ask to much questions but you, you are the president of the club!!!To tell the truth, I'm asking at least half of these questions...But you know what, I'm gonna stop torturing myself and be a little bit agnostic for a while and pretend that I don't care... I'll be patient until next episode, even next season to have my answers... (Ok I'm not that patient because in France we are only at the end of season 2!!! ---and I can't stand to watch Jensen A. and Jared P. speak French any more)
So I will tell you all, continue to over-analyse without me!!!
Wink ;) from France (where some people can follow SUPERNATURAL (in real time) thanks to this site!)

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Nov 24, 2008 5:23PM EST

I totally know what you mean I have theorys like that as well... But I think Ruby is one of Azazles children and she's trying to groom sam to be the next Yellow eyes... I mean we did see his eye flash a quick yellow right? But about Azazle being a fallen angel I didn't think about I mean I know he is... But in the last episode Ruby was trying to get Sam "back in shape" with his powers right... Who knows what he has to do... I wonder if Ruby and Sam are looking for Azazles grace... Hmmm.... I'm so impatient! Ugh I can't wait to see what they have in store for us!
Oh! Also... I think there's something up with Uriel! He just doesn't seem quite right to me...

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Nov 24, 2008 8:04PM EST

I really liked your questions, Dale. Indeed some sticky issues arise at this whole 'shazam-grace-can-be-recovered' deal. Personally I got extremely disappointed at this plot twist and I'm still trying to deal with it.
I assume (following SPN's mythology) that once angels fall to Earth, they become humans like Anna and depending if they turn bad, they go to Hell once they die, becoming demons... If this is the case then Lucifer, Azazel and many others must have dropped their graces somewhere... I'm going to be extremely pissed off if the Winchesters spend most of 2009 questing over some 'angel juice'.
Is Anna a full-blown angel again now or a penitent angel with no power? Is she going to remember her life as a human? I'm not sure. But I'm guessing it's not going to be the last we hear from her. And honestly, I hope that Anna and Ruby kill each other because I'm not a fan of any of them :D
As for Sam, I think the key question is: Why does Lilith want Sam dead? I'm guessing Lucifer is going to give us a suprise after the 66 seals are broken, choosing Sam over Lilith to rule Hell. And I can imagine poor Dean trying to prevent the whole thing. This is just my speculation, though. And something tells me Uriel is going to end up getting what he deserves at the end of the season as well :D

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Nov 24, 2008 8:25PM EST

kaena- Oh my, I don't think I could stand not being up to date on my shows, but good thing you can keep up with it in real time. and Yeah, I always over analyze things (it gets me in trouble at college), but I have an outlet here.
Bella- Yeah, I can't wait to see what Uriel issue is. He is definitely up to something.I think it's sort of a misguided convoluted thinking. Like Gabriel in Constantine (Watch if you haven't it's fantastic).

sonias- I'm glad you liked my questions. I was really disgusted by the grace thing, as well, I'm just trying to roll with it. I was trying to pull attention to the storm of problems? questions? I don't know. I guess I will have to put all of my faith in the writers and hope that they pull off this...grace thing...smoothly.

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Nov 24, 2008 11:58PM EST

I think Uriel was carrying Anna's grace simply because he was handling her case, so to speak. And in my opinion, when I learned that the grace was with him, I had a feeling that their plan was to return her grace all along. Maybe to turn her back into an angel just to punish her - punish Anna the angel as opposed to Anna the human. If God even wants her punished.

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Nov 25, 2008 12:50AM EST

I was kind of thinking that it was their plan to return the 'angel juice' all along. I mean, Uriel and Castiel didn't do anything even after Anna snatched the vial. You'd think with all the angel powers mojo they'd have some spell over it to keep it from breaking or something if they really wanted to keep it away from her.
Besides, the look on Castiel's face as Anna turned back didn't seem too devastated. xD
Lucifer and Azazel. Maybe once they turn into a demon, their grace becomes poison to them or something. I mean, demons get turned to dust/blown away when they come into contact with an angel. I mean, Anna blew away one big time demon by simply getting back her grace. What more if the grace was placed inside a demon's body.
So I guess.. no worries about those graces.
But that's only what I think.

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Nov 25, 2008 7:03AM EST

Interesting I hadn't considered that they wanted her to get it back. But, I think lack of expression was just lack of emotion on Uriel's part, lol. That doesn't mean that it wasn't still the plan, however. hmmm *crawls back into cave to digest information*
*comes back* I don't think that it is standard procedure to hold onto graces though. Because, Anna's a big shot angel so she would have considered that someone might have it. I mean they went to the tree and all. If an angels work fallen cases, then she would have first gone the angels, right?
Anyways, Ruby bust in with the demons so I don't think the angels were expecting to fight. It was more spur of the moment. I don't think the angels were going to give it back, but maybe trade something? I don't know. They be crafty angels.
hehehe "angels and demons" that should a book title
lol

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Nov 25, 2008 9:16AM EST

Firstly, it is a book title.
Secondly im not really sure at all what you said in paragraph 2.
Thirdly why does everyone hate Ruby? First they decide to gang up on Bella for what I think was no real reason (she was a well played character, and a nice little pain in the ass for the boys). And now that Bellas gone, they move to Ruby.

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Nov 25, 2008 11:44AM EST

I think Ruby has been written to show that in the same way some angels can turn bad (like Lucifer and Azazel), some demons (like Ruby and perhaps that other demon from 'Sin City' episode) can potentially turn good or have altruistic motivations. I'm OK with that idea. However, I hate how Ruby's character has been written. I get that she was witch who perhaps made a mistake while she was a human and had to pay an excessively high cost, I also get that she may want to get revenge at Lilith for what she's done to her in Hell. But still I don't get why last season she appeared from nowhere offering some extremely powerful weapons to kill demons... Her story seems weak to me. I don't dig her, Anna or Bella for similar reasons (how the characters have been written). Sorry.
However I do dig Pamela a lot and hope she becomes a regular like Bobby.

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Nov 25, 2008 1:02PM EST

Oh I and forgot to mention the fact that Ruby seems to have spent like 50000 hell-years in the pit and naturally one would expect her to be an extremely tortured soul, giving the fact that Dean spent 'only' 40 hell-years there and we know how he feels about it. But surprisingly the first thing Ruby can think of after being escaping punishment by Lilith is... French fries? Ruby's character totally lacks depth and I'm guessing that's why she's so hard to swallow...

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Nov 25, 2008 1:36PM EST

goofydude- It was 4 in the morning and I wasn't making sense to myself.
Yes, I am aware it's a book. Sarcasm, dear.
I was responding to a previous poster in the second paragraph. I was trying to say that I don't believe it is "standard procedure" to have another angel's grace. And I don't believe Uriel was "working a case", because ,I think, Anna would have considered that option. Why would Anna have gone to the tree, if angels work cases, she would have started her quest by searching for the angel.
I don't hate Ruby. In my opinion, and others if I'm right, is that the current actress is very weak and is not doing a very good job portraying her. And I don't hate Bella, other might, I really liked her. The acting was very nice and she was a beautiful contrast to the Winchesters. I was personally shocked that she was killed, and yet I think it was a good time to "let her go". She left on a good streak and semi-positive note.
So the lesson I should take away from this is, wait till after I've slept to post anything. :)

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Nov 26, 2008 10:01AM EST

i think that dean is going to become an angel.. you remember him saying "i just don't wanna feel anything anymore" and how Anna said that angels dosen't really feel anything... - And i think that Sam is going to become something like lucifers protege - it would just make so much sense for me if the two brothers should fight each other in the end... what do you guys think?

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Nov 26, 2008 10:18AM EST

That's a very interesting speculation enigma! Also, noticed how Castiel is having doubts and how he sometimes seems to wish he could feel like humans do? What if Castiel and Dean end up switching places? Interesting twist indeed!

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Nov 26, 2008 4:11PM EST

I think the main difference was that Lucifer and his host were THROWN out of Heaven by God, while Anna CHOSE to rip out her Grace herself.
As she was the one who did it, I'm guessing she could recover it. While I strongly doubt it's a possibility for the demons, otherwise I'm sure it would be better known all round.
Demons: Oh I'm back on earth. Kill humans? Pshaw, nah, I'm gonna find my powarz!

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Nov 27, 2008 2:14AM EST

i dont think the writers will make too much on the grace thing.they already used a full episode on anna searching for hers.i wouldnt want my fav show just to be based on angels/demons searching for their once apon a time grace.
you wondered if azazel or lucifer would look for their grace?i dont think so.they are powerfull enough eg.alister going into church,being stabbed,sams mojo power to get by without.personally i dont think something as dirty as a demon could lay a hand on this mysterious power.to me something like grace is PURE it is the closest thing next to GOD.u look at angels Castiel or Uriel they dont seem like textbook type kind,helping,generous,loving but having their grace is what makes them Holy,Sacred and Pure.a demon is a creature whos soul has fully metamorphed.anything rightous,loving,peacefull would have been burned away in hell for a peropid of 100-1000s.i just couldnt see any filthy demon laying their hand on something beautifull as grace. for anna i hope the writers keep her on the show,i really liked her.i have a feeling shed be a renegade angel on the run at the start until GOD realises just like Dean that she has a handy in this war and decides to use her.
With Ruby it so difficult to read into her intentions.shes keeping Sam alive at all costs and mostly right beside him coaching him with his powers.she also could be coaching Sam using him to eliminate her enemies.so far whatever shes doing is going on plan,shes got the trust of the brothers and the angels do not see her as a threat

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Nov 27, 2008 3:10AM EST

First of all, I'd like to comment that I loved Bella and it was wonderful to see such a crafty, smart, and strong woman antagonize the boys every now and then. I really enjoyed the development of her character and was sad when she died. In the third season, I really enjoyed Ruby as well. She was never my favorite character and her sudden entrance didn't make any sense. From the get-go I knew she had some sort of ulterior motive and I feel like it doesn't make any sense that she's just doing it out of simple revenge or the goodness of her heart. I think she's just biding time and earning trust that she will use to screw over the boys with in the end. I'd also like to say how much I hate the new actress playing her! Third season Ruby was kick-ass! She was sarcastic and sharp. This season all she wants is Sam and for everyone to like her. What the hell? Extremely disappointed in the actor change.
Alright, to the topic at hand. I don't know if it's just me, but this whole season feels off so far. I'm definitely not interested in any angel juice searching of any kind and Anna's storyline, while solid, ended so bizarre. I don't understand the whole reclaiming your grace thing. It's like hey, I disobeyed and so I took my grace out and I'll just pop it back in whenever I'm tired of being human again. Weird.
Mainly, I feel like the show has lost all of it's light-heartedness or happiness of any kind. Sam went through a completely dark, and at times suicidal, four months without his brother and started hooking up with a demon in his despair. & Dean? Dean's just a clusterfuck of sadness. He's like a freaking blackhole. It breaks my heart to see him that way and it's just such a helpless feeling, because how can anyone or anything make that better? They can't. So is Dean just going to live a tortured existence for the rest of his life? Wasn't his life shitty enough already? Even the outside characters are depressing and without hope. Turns out angels aren't happy either. They're just like dogs taking orders and they can't FEEL anything. You would think being an angel would be wonderful, but no, even that's sucky. So basically what do we have to look forward to this season? I feel just utterly without hope because I can't think of anyway the guys could be alright again. But then again, I couldn't contemplate how they were going to rescue Dean from hell either. So who knows.
Essentially, I'm just remembering a lot of emotions I felt with Angel in season four. The storyline got to be bigger than life and became this montrous snowball rolling downhill. Hopefully this won't happen with the boys. Although I'm enjoying seeing the boys in slight opposition, I need something more and I really don't want it to be Dean becoming an angel and Sam reigning over hell. I just want them to be Sam & Dean, good guys, saving people, hunting things. I don't much care for the idea of the fate of the world being in the hands of the Winchester boys. No matter how kick-ass they are. Here's hoping when the show picks up again in January it'll get its act together.

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Nov 28, 2008 5:28AM EST

first things first...anna.i said i did not see her either bad nor good. then i started thinking about her as a human for ...what.... 22years. and the angels or god never searched for her. then..why do that now? so here's a theory... maybe she ripped her grace and god let her be. human. maybe because god saw she had some freewill. but now...maybe the army of heaven needs her since the angels fight in this war and cas said that some of them died. and she is maybe stronger than cas and uriel.since she was their 'boss':)) :)) and so...she is valuable.maybe god let her be human because he saw she really wanted it so much..so much that she ripped her own grace. and maybe this is why the grace-jar thingie was kept. so i think it's a plauzibile theory that getting anna's grace back was the intention of the angels...and that did have meant 'she has to die' ..as a human.second...the 'all things go sour in this season' thingie. dean was in hell and for god knows why...no really! god knows why motive he remembers everything(maybe he is ought to know how and what hell is to do his best not to let hell get on earth) and that..is really sad for him. they are in a war right now, 'smack in the middle of it', and we can all guess that war is no fun or joy,as a matter of fact.i sure hope dean will get his memory erased or something so he does not have to live with hell in his pretty head even after war ends.third.. and last for now,the season is not over yet..it's haven't even past half and everybody is wondering how it will end.the writers and all crew is brilliant and the end of this show should be brilliant as well. maybe we should just 'enjoy the ride'. take what it gives and how it gives.

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