Did anyone get that feeling? (spoilers, I guess?)

So did anyone get that vibe? When Anna was talking about how only 4 angels have seen god, that someone on this show is god? Or to mesh theories and to be really cliche, that Dean will be god's vessel and Sam satan's. I mean it would kind of work if you figure that Ruby is being ultra protective of Sam and trying to get him to hone his abilities. Why else would she? The angels are acting very strange around dean listening to him, yet not quite trusting.


Or perhaps the Winchesters aren't vessels at all. This show has liked the "nothing is as it seems" concept, they like the gray areas. Maybe, and I know kind of out there, Sam is satan and Dean is god. And I don't mean that Sam is evil or Dean is pure, maybe the writers are trying to pull off a perspective thing. I think we all remember the Vampire episodes and how bad people will be bad and good people will be good, no matter what the cicumstances. One thing is for sure neither the demons or the angels really know what is going on.



I dont' know. I'm sure people will disagree with me. Hell, I'm not sure I agree with me

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Nov 21, 2008 6:37PM EST

I know I got that feeling to but not quite that high up... I mean there is something mager going on with Sam thats for sure, but I'm not sure it will be as high to Saten... I'm thinking a new YED. It's showed him with yellow eyes in "Yellow fever" And I mean what was with that!!!? I'm thinking Rubys one of yellow eyes children and this is all part of there plan with sam... The Angels deffinetly didn't want him continuing with whatever he was doing with Ruby for his powers... I'm so excited to see what happens.It's also cool how Jenson and Jared don't even know whats going to happen. =)

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Nov 21, 2008 7:39PM EST

I think that Sam is going down the wrong way cos of the blood of the YED. And I think the angels know it. Aaand I think that Dean is there to stop Sam in the final step. He is the one who has to "fight" against him in the end. Not really fighting, but stopping him from turning bad in some way. Because he is the only one who can...

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Nov 21, 2008 7:52PM EST

Nypa- I could see that happening, but I have this feeling that it's more than just stopping Sam. It's understanding both sides. I suppose that the writers are just going against the judeo-christian grain and trying to go against stereotypes and the such. I could be completely wrong here, but it's more than good against evil. It's what is good and evil. I really like this series so far and I'm pretty excited about it.
Bella- I also think that Sam is more than just yellow eyes. This show is about over-the -top and I think whatever is happening to Sam is going to be huge. Mephistopheles huge.

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Nov 21, 2008 8:03PM EST

Yeah, I think so too, but I can't really say how it is going to happen. I think the basic idea is that Dean will stop Sam from turning bad, but I have no idea how it will end.
And yes, they don't like the good-bad-black-white-stereotypes. That is why it is even harder to think of a sollution.
But I also think that Dean in some way is destined for greater things. I don't know if he will get some angel-power to stop Sam or... hm... many ideas, no answer.^^ Sam is going to come big time and then Dean needs a little bit more than brotherly love to stop him.

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Nov 21, 2008 10:06PM EST

Although I am one of the people that really hopes ruby isn't intentionally manipulating them, all of her actions and sacrifices I can see working to that effect, except however this episode. This is the episode that really convinced me she is trying to help them because her conversation with Alastair when it was only the two of them, she would have no reason to pretend.
The idea that she is being manipulated into believing she is helping them however i still find as viable, because I find it very unlikely that Lilith would really release her from wherever she was keeping her, before knowing for certain she was going to be loyal (if that's what she actually wanted).
Now assuming this is the case, and Sam is the key... I think either he isn't really sending them to hell *possibly making Lucifer stronger* when he goes jedi on a demon, or he has to kill a demon or something that for some reason nobody else can kill in order to release Lucifer.

TLDR version: I think Lilith is manipulating Ruby into helping Sam get stronger, which is somehow helpful to her Lucifer quest.

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Nov 21, 2008 10:23PM EST

Awesome comment. In my theory (which is probably wrong) Sam isn't the key to Satan's escape, he is Satan, or some reincarnation thing. Sort of. Remember how the demons aren't even sure there is a Satan? Maybe, and it's a stretch I know, the writers are showing us it's all in perspective, so Ruby isn't manipulating Sam. She's helping Satan. She's protecting him.
Maybe Satan is a strong word with bad connotations. Maybe one could say that eventually Sam will control Hell. That Devil/Satan/Lucifer is all just a name for someone who could control Hell. Maybe that person doesn't have to be bad. I mean can you blame Sam for any choice he has made, no. He still has free-will.
And, of course, vice versa for Dean. He might be able to control Heaven.
I don't know. I just like over analyzing stuff and even if this isn't the case it's still a cool theory. =)

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Nov 22, 2008 8:18AM EST

I think youd theory, dale789, is the one that makes the most sence so far. I like the idea of Sam turning just to try and controle the damage hell is doing on earth. But I think there is a missing link that is yet to be reveald. Cause it seems that there ar a lot of deamons ho are trying to help Sam. Remember the episode mistery spot in witch a deamon is trying to help Sam prepare for Deans death. There are obviously a cople of deamons on Sams side. Is that just cause they are affraid of Lilith, or is there something else that they are affraid of...

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Nov 22, 2008 1:39PM EST

That though, was a trickster, which wasn't described as a demon, more like an almost demi-god (or mini-god).
He wasn't really evil, and was preying on those that had "questionable habits", so more like a nuisance.
Other than that I can't think of a demon that decided to side with Sam besides Ruby, though there was the demon that got a soft spot for dean in the Sin City episode I think it was.

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Nov 23, 2008 3:57PM EST

Im not quite sure if I agree with any current theory, mostly cause things have happened to burst some holes into them. Like for instance, in Heaven & HellDean makes a comment to Sam about what a good idea it was to lure both the angels and the demons so they can fight it out themselves. WHICH would mean that Ruby was in on the plan and that's why she went to Alistair and also why she told him to stick it.
Also, I don't think Ruby is one of YED's children. She was a witch that went to hell, remember? And YED makes demon spawn, not human.The only humans with ties to YED is the ones that he bled into mouths.
I can see the hole Sam evil- Dean good concept a bit though.And like Nypa, I think if Sam goes all evil on us it will take a little more on Deans side to stop him then brotherly love. Even if it's strong brotherly love.

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Nov 23, 2008 5:06PM EST

I like the theory with Sam ~ Satan and Dean ~ God, no matter if they really TURN into their part or just are vessels.But I think, it'd be the end of the show if this turns true, because they couldn't possibly top this. What could happen after that to keep the show running?

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Nov 23, 2008 11:16PM EST

Yeah, you're right sunny. I was just watching the show and thinking you could take that concept and write a great short story on it. Whatever, I don't this is really where the story is going. I just needed to share this.
Unfortunately, this is the downfall of television, that the show needs to continue. I can think of many shows that could have ended awesomely, if it wasn't for the need of one more season.

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Nov 29, 2008 8:06AM EST

I think ur theroy could be correct when sam was fighting off that demon in "its the great pupmkin sam winchester" i saw sams eyes go full black. Is this more of a sign that his demon side is coming out.As for dean even though his got this bad boy image i really do think he could actually be a angel and thats why he diss likes ruby so much and why anna got attacted to him. Im not to sure that he is up there with god but i think he could be some rank in the angel side maybe his like anna.

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Nov 30, 2008 6:56PM EST

sorry my mate accidently pressed the report thingyill try to undo itthanks

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