Doctor Who Journey's End - Spoilers and Concerns

First off, what a great episode. I was on the edge of my couch the whole time, and even had to tell myself to blink a few times. Amazing. And two Doctors? Every woman's dream, especially considering the difference between the two. One elegant, intelligent, lonely God, and one brash, abrasive, and sometimes overly confident demi-God. I loved the idea of the DoctorDonna and the energy transference.


I have but one problem, and please, try to follow my line of thought.


If he is considered as the TENTH Doctor, than it is impossible to ignore the existence of the EIGHTH Doctor. Now, as probably one of the hugest DW fans out there, I found myself disappointed with some of the main concepts of the final episode.


First of all the second Doctor, made from the energy transference between Donna and the Doctor's severed limb, is now infused with human. "I'm part human," he says. Wow. This is great, what a wonderful concept. Except that the EIGHTH Doctor in the 1996 film, told his American companion that his mother is human and thus he is half human. . . which then explains his fascination with saving human life.


I loved the concepts of the last episode but I was very disappointed to see the emphasis put on the "part-human" Doctor especially considering the acknowledgment of the EIGTH Doctor and his story. By all means, I encourage you to watch the video on Sidereel, you might just be asking yourself the same questions that I did and find yourself slightly disappointed at the main concepts of the last episode.


In some cases, I believe the episode to be a version of eye candy for the female viewers on three levels.


1. Two Doctors.

2. Doctor/Donna - Most important woman in the universe

3. Human Doctor/Rose love


Everyone comes out happy but the Doctor, of course, and that's the point of the episode. I feel so bad for the poor, neglected, half-human Eighth Doctor. Bad, Russel T. Davies, how dare you neglect him and create an entire mythology as if his half human self didn't exist?

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Jul 5, 2008 8:44PM EDT

I don't think that the 8th Doctor was forgotten at all. The Doctor that we know could still be considered part human. Humans have recessive genes/traits - the human part of the Doctor could be just like that - recessive and barely noticeable, if at all.
But after the transference of energy, the human part came out in a big way. His real original time lord self has two hearts. His new form, the one that stayed with Rose, is truly half human, with only one heart. So please stop bashing Davies as though he tried casting the existence of the 8th Doctor out the window - the story all holds together [well, you know, as much as any Doctor Who story holds together... :P]
You also said that everyone comes out happy... But maybe you're choosing not to notice all of Donna's story, lol. She is such a tragic figure. [I did a post after seeing this episode about Donna - you can read it by following this link if you like: ].
But I think we are all in agreement on one thing: This was a really great finale! :)

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Jul 5, 2008 9:25PM EDT

One more thing - my main issue was with something the Doctor said. He mentioned that the new Doctor was trouble, and pretty much was condemning him for killing the Daleks, calling it genocide.
So, why was it wrong for him to kill the Daleks this time around, but it was totally OK when Rose did it at the end of Season 1?

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Jul 5, 2008 9:51PM EDT

Interesting question. One the best questions, actually.
But please stop bashing me for bashing Davies when I'm not bashing him :p I love Davies.

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Jul 5, 2008 9:58PM EDT

I don't think that the Doctor ever approves of violence or killing. He makes a point to always ask his enemies to surrender and leave quietly before he makes his move. I don't think he approved of what Rose did, or what he tried to do, but realized that they were doing it for the greater good. In this instance, the planets had all been returned and the Doctor could have resealed the daleks within the Medusa Cascade instead of murdering an entire race.
But I thought that the finale was completely amazing!! I love how RTD made the viewers happy by making Rose end up with the Doctor without having her remain on the show and attempt to retain a doomed relationship. I also loved the Torchwood crossover and the TWO doctors. Truly amazing. Donna's fate actually made me cry. She became such a better person and did amazing things and now she can't remember any of it. I'm going to miss RTD next season. Whenever it is.... I wonder who the new companion will be?? And the return of the cybermen, again??

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Jul 5, 2008 10:18PM EDT

I don't know if I am alone in my thinking, but I wasn't really happy with the end of the Rose story. Not entirely.
I know that the new Doctor has all of the same memories and feeling,s but they are obviously very different individuals. For Rose to so quickly accept what I see as a consolation prize, well, it made me think a little less of the Rose character.
But really, knowing that the real Doctor was leaving and wasn't going to open up about his feelings in the end, why not take the consolation prize, right? lol.
And something tells me that Jack has found his two new recruits for Torchwood... :P

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Jul 5, 2008 11:12PM EDT

I saw that too about Torchwood, haha.

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Jul 6, 2008 5:07PM EDT

I believe that the difference between what the Human/Doctor did and what Rose did is the fact that even though this new Doctor is part human he has all the Knowledge of a Time Lord he should have known better whereas everything Rose did was out of love for the Doctor it was human nature, you protect what you Love

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Jul 6, 2008 8:13PM EDT

Don't think less of Rose's character! She was obviously not convinced with the whole situation at first - but in the end I think she realized that the Time Lord Doctor, the "real" Doctor, would never be able to say 'I love you', or be with her properly because he has to keep on traveling, keep on living and regenerating, and he feels like he can't give her the life she wants - and that eventually she'll age etc. She knew that the half-human Doctor could be that person, and I expect she realized that the Time Lord Doctor had given her this gift because he really did love her. (Have to say though at first I was like WHAT! he's not the doctor! but I have now come round to the idea, having rewatched it only about 100 times)
Carleeangel: I think you're totally right about how when he committed genocide he should've known better, whereas with Rose she had no choice, and was doing it to save the doctor who she loves

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