"The End" ... The Future

Hey so is it just more or do more of you feel that the so called future Dean was in definitely wasn't the future? I have reasons why I believe this, but I'd like your opinions too, whichever scenario you believe.


1. Future Dean telling Present Dean to accept Michael and become a vessel was all too Zachariah-ish. It was definitely not something Dean would say, ever. Also, if that was the future, then wouldn't Future Dean have known that Current Dean was going to show up, since at one point he would have been the one zapped into the future to meet his current self?


2. Supernatural story lines have established that while we have free will, as Cas put it "All roads lead to the same destination". If this is the case, then there is no altering the future, just as there was no altering the past in the episode "In the Beginning". With those facts in mind, lets look at "The End". In

"The End" Lucifer tells Dean that no matter what he does, they'll always end up right there, just like that, but then that means that Lucifer wins. If we go by the Theory that God's side wins (aka Dean wins) then that cannot be the future as Lucifer, no matter how it plays out will ever win. (And we know Dean has to kill Lucifer because "He who breaks the first seal shall be the one to stop it" from OTHOAP episode).


3. It was much too convenient for Lucifer to talk to Dean that whole time (which was more of a challenge to kill Sam or let Michael in than anything else) and then just leave him unharmed so Zachariah could come back and Zap Dean out of there. It felt to me much too staged.


4. All the Angels left the planet and gave up on the Apocalypse. Why would they do that if they were certain they would win? By showing a planet without Angels, I feel it was easy for Zachariah to justify why the planet was so jacked up.


5. Lucifer was just chillin in a Hot Zone. If all other angels are gone, why wasn't he out recruiting/destroying people that weren't infected by the virus? That's his end game to destroy mankind, but he wasn't doing anything.


What do you guys think? Anyone have reasons for believing it was the future?

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spegiddo
Oct 3, 2009 8:25PM EDT

I don't think it was the real future, but I am sure that the only way that neither Dean or Sam will give in to having their bodies taken over is by staying together to keep each other 'real'!

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Oct 3, 2009 9:15PM EDT

Lucifer is trying to have mankind destroy itself, to prove his point that all mankind are "murderers, selfish, thieves" and what not.

And no, I don't think that future was real.

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Oct 5, 2009 1:49AM EDT

anyone who's a fan of time travel stories should know the power of awareness. knowing what will happen next will change what happens next. its like the principle of observation changing the observed except with the dimension of time thrown in. happens allot in the genre. what there going for is now that deans aware of the future, he'll change it (as if you didn't know). its one way of doing it. i've noticed that another way of solving the problem is "if you meet yourself from a different time, everything will end." then theres a variation of the multi-verse theory, you know, that the act of time travel is really just a visitation of another universe where time continued without the benefit of the experience granted by the 'time traveling' event. then theres also some stories where that reality is only possible because of a time traveling experience (citing Terminator (1) on that one). and then theres 'destiny' theory time travel, which is what i believe Supernatural uses. this is more or less "what you do while time traveling is irrelevant because events will still unfold as they would without your presence."
reason i say Supernatural does that is 'cuz the two times there was time traveling dean didn't seem to make that much of an impact to how events played out. oh and good catch on your number 4 ... that one was bugging me too. i resolved it as 'the angels showed the future with the presupposition that dean says no; when dean says no the angels give up; so in the created future there are no angels' creating a self fulfilled predicted future (i was gonna say prophecy, but that aint quite right). by having the resolution to leave, they showed a future where they had left. its not really showing a fake future, its just cheating with time traveling. Bill and Ted do a similar form of time travel cheating in the horrible horrible sequel. oh, and in the police station in the first one. see if that helps with the whole acceptance thing.

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Nov 21, 2009 10:39PM EST

"Bill and Ted do a similar form of time travel cheating in the horrible horrible sequel. oh, and in the police station in the first one. see if that helps with the whole acceptance thing."
These statements confuse me and don't seem to make sense...But other than that, you have interesting ideas indeed.

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