2 puzzling things

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1. how the F**K did arthur time travel back 16 years? correct me if im wrong but did he not steal hiros time travel abilities 16 years ago? so how the hell did he get there?


2. how can arthur die? as we know he was shot dead by syler at the end. BUT!!!!!! he stole peters ability which was absorbing other peoples powers he comes close to. he had claires healing did he not? so wouldnt arthur have that too? and lets just say he stole peters abilities but didnt get any of the powers with him (whcih isnt true coz when he first got them he used the blue fire ability which peter absorbed) he had contact with claire so wouldnt he have absorbed them from her anyway? so to sum it up as soon as the haitian left he would have just been revived would he not?


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Dec 10, 2008 12:48PM EST

1. Arthur stole *all* of Peter Petrelli's abilities at the end of the episode 'Dying of the Light', including space-time manipulation.
2. Angela Petrelli said in this very episode that it is possible to kill him with a bullet to the head (well, a bullet to the *back of the head* was her exact phrasing, but I'm not sure the angle really matters), since the source of all his powers is within the brain, just like every other character with abilities.

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Dec 10, 2008 12:50PM EST

1. arthur stole peters ability to tiime travel2. arthur was shot in the head, game over he cant revive from that

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Dec 10, 2008 12:51PM EST

damn you magic puppy you got the 2 mins before me haha

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Dec 10, 2008 2:00PM EST

1. yea realised that after i posted it lol duh on me.
2. he has claires abilities. claire CANNOT die (apart from having no air) even with a shot to the head as proven when she had that wood or whatever stuck in her brain and when syler cut her open and stole part of her brain. so effectivly he shouldnt die either.once the bullet is removed he is revived.
the fact he has claires almost invincibility cancels out that a shot to the head would kill him as the only way to kill claire is having no air.

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Dec 10, 2008 2:03PM EST

ok i got a couple of thingsfirstly i think arthurs healing power came from Adam Munroe not peter...secondly how come the Haiten was able to block the all powerful Arthurs abilities (well struggled to but still managed to hold it) but sylar waltzed in and did as he pleased??? we all know how powerful the haitian is from the previous two seasons...especially from season 1 when hero goes 5 years into the future... am i the only one that thinks there are too many holes in this series?

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Dec 10, 2008 2:08PM EST

also it seemed in this epidode that the Haitian actually controls his abilities to stop everyone else's hense him struggling to hold back in arthurs but in other episodes like the one with hiro and daphine he didnt even know they was there and they stopped their abilities which suggests he doesnt control it, it just happens when people are near him.
which brings me to my next point which im sure has been said somewhere else as its like the biggest flaw ever.
in that very same scene with the Haitian hiro and daphine why doesnt she turn into a cripple when shes near him? without her powers she cant walk but she seemed perfectly fine there

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Dec 10, 2008 2:11PM EST

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i think syler comes in just as he loses control of his powers. which means arthur DEF SHOULDNT have died as the only apparent way to kill him is when the Haitian is there. and if he just lost his powers which he clearly did otherwise syler wouldnt have stopped the bullet then arthur should NOT have died.

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Dec 10, 2008 2:13PM EST

i was just thinking the same thing as i was thinking back to previous episodes..daphne once loses here powers she shouldnt be able to even walk...too many flaws this season...starting to feel disappointed in the writers.i also agree with your above point about clares/peters healing abitlies....remember in season 2 that women from the company tries to blow off adam monroes head with a shotgun...ok blowing off the head and a bullet in the brain are 2 different things...surely a bullett from the head can be healed just as peter heals his brain regaining his memories with adams help in season 2 and hiro heals his brain with his mothers help in the last episode...also brings me to think how did future peter dye when he was shot twise in the chest in the future by claire if only a shot to the brain is the way to kill him?

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Dec 10, 2008 2:16PM EST

lol that is so true....The Haitian seemed to be back in control when sylar was talkin to peter but according to the rules of heroes arthur should still be alive i think and shouldnt have died...another that got me was the Haitian usually blocks powers for whole buildings and distances so it seems strange the powers of sylar and also the experiment in the next room wernt affected by the hatian...oh well...ill still watch to the end even tho not really happy with the series so far.

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Dec 10, 2008 2:21PM EST

yea i like it. its just got way too many flaws. hehe tho my fav flaw of all time as pointed out on family guy is in lord of the rings. why didnt they just get that giant bird eagle thing which rescued frodo and sam to fly them to mordor from the begininng instead of walking god knows how far? hehe credit to family guy for that one.
anyway back to heroes. its a great show and i will watch to the end. im just not gonna think about things too much from now on. its ruining it for me. flaws or no flaws i dont wanna ruin it totally for me.

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Dec 10, 2008 2:32PM EST

Okay guys ... shall we consider this ... a bullet to the brain would kill a healer if it went through the adrenal gland (the thing that makes power, suresh said) sylar knows this cause thats where he looks for powers. therefore he would have put the bullet through there.
if you were the haitian and you had the number of enimies he has wouldnt you put your power around you all the time cause i would otherwise id die pretty fast. also he has to have control over his abilities as all the other heros wouldnt have control over thiers
they havnt actually said Aurthur is not coming back. so he may come back but i doubt it.
anyway most of the holes you guys were talking about im sure the writers have thought about just not explained yet.... or they dont really care the series is kick ass anyway

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Dec 10, 2008 2:41PM EST

how can they explain daphine not being crippled when the Haitian was near her then?
and the point is he had claires abilities. she cannot die even with a shot to that certain gland. and angila said herself arthur can ONLY be killed in a vulnerable state. he WASNT in that state as the Haitian has lost control hense why syler could use his powers.
so therefor he should NOT have died. flaw flaw flaw

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Dec 10, 2008 3:25PM EST

Aurthur can die from a bullet to the head with or without the Haitian... its just the fact that Aurthur with his powers can stop the bullet, but with the Haitian there, he cant stop the bullet... and i think that the Haitian's power was weakened right when Sylar came in, which is why Sylar still had his power, its just the fact that maybe Aurthur did have his power but didn't think (or maybe wasn't fast enough) to stop the bullet (who knows).
even with the healing abilities that he stole from peter (who got it from Claire), like Clarkymark said, as long as the bullet is in his head, he will be dead. remember Claire didn't revive until the wood was removed.
as far as i know, Aurthur doesn't have impenetrable skin or something.. so just because the Haitians power didn't work, doesn't mean he cant die

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Dec 10, 2008 6:30PM EST

In season one we saw two times that even though Claire and Peter have the healing ability, they can die if the killing object is still there. We can assume that in case of Arthur that can be the the reasonable answer.
On the other hand I can't understand the whole Arthur appearing everywhere...If Hiro was a pain in the ass why didn't he take all his power in Africa. And why didn't he just appear where claire was and take it from her...
I think they just threw everything what they were building. So many unnecessary sketches and stroylines.
But although these major questions I still love Heroes.
PEACE FOR ALL

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Dec 10, 2008 6:54PM EST

WAIT. The haitian has to concentrate to block abilities. What the hell are you talking about, The Haitian was concentrating on blocking Hiro and Daphne's powers because he was holding Angela's half of the formula. So, he actually was to be safe. When Sylar came in to stop the bullet, the Haitian had lost his conenctration and nearly collapsed. Then, Sylar let the bullet go through him while the haitian gained his concentration...
Arthur stole Peter's powers (including time-travel), so thats how he time travelled. And he obviously knew where Hiro was because he can paint the future. Think a little.

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Dec 10, 2008 7:02PM EST

A bullet into the brain destroys the brain anyways (even if he had healing power).WRONG. If it is removed, they can heal. Remember when Claire got a stick through her head when that guy pushed her (the quarterback guy who tried to rape her). She was dead until the stick was removed. Same goes with the glass in Peter's head.
What she means by the bullet to back of the head, is while the Haitian is near, he wont be able to use his power to heal, and that is a definite way to die. Because, people can survive being shot in the head. (although they will probably be messed up, but he could heal while the Haitian is not near...)
Why else did Angela get Peter and Nathan to go all the way to Haitia to get him? Thats what she meant.

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Dec 10, 2008 7:08PM EST

Obviously the thing about Daphne being able to walk without her super speed was a flaw, but why the fuck are you people criticizing this show so much. Its not real. Its called science fiction you idiots. Grow up and stop taking this show so seriously....

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Dec 10, 2008 7:14PM EST

Also to the adrenal gland, that isn't in the brain, its near the kidneys...
The Haitian blocked Arthur's power of healing AFTER Sylar shot him. Thus, he could not heal from that. Without healing, they die like any human.
Remember, in the future, Future Peter got shot and died while the Haitian was near.Haitian's power is very hard to absorb, like Sylar's power. Remember, he had to go to Sylar and fix the watch first to get his power. Same probably goes with Haitian's power. Btw, Arthur used telepathy to BLOCK Hiro's memories, not erase them. Just like how he did to Angela's memories (after Linderman healed her). Then Hiro's mother healed Hiro. Parallel, eh?

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Dec 10, 2008 8:34PM EST

OK the simple thing with the healing ability is that if your head is detached from the body (or blown off) you cant heal. if something keeps you in a constant state of death (i.e. the stick in the chest with Claire, the glass in peters head, or a bullet in the head.) you will stay dead and not be able to heal until the object is removed. the Haitian was only brought along so that peter would have an opportunity to kill Aurthur, cause a gun vs a ton of super powers, peter would have stood no chance. and future peter died because he had a bullet stuck in his heart and head.

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Dec 10, 2008 11:31PM EST

everyone is saying that once the bullet is removed than arthur can live again, but what if arthur lost all his abilities when he dies? i know peter doesn't but peter's powers come from emotion and arthur's from physical, so if he physically dies than he might lose all his powers, including peter's in case someone wants to argue that he had peter's too
and i was thinking, maybe when daphne loses her powers, its a gradual decent to being crippled, just like she said she gradually could stand, then walk, then run, then run really fast, maybe its the same just opposite and she wasn't near the haitian long enough to actually go all the way to being a cripple

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Dec 11, 2008 1:37AM EST

All of you should really go back and watch all the episodes over again. Alot of the flaws you are talking about have been at the very least touched upon. For instance Claire and the branch in her head...she was technically dead until the branch was removed. So she can die. Which means so can Peter. And of course so can Arthur. Unless that bullet is removed he is dead. And yes Peter had the abilities of everyone he came in contact with. So when Arthur took his ability he took all the ones he absorbed. Which is how it was possible to travel back 16 years. Need I go on?

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Dec 11, 2008 6:06AM EST

he doesnt have clairs abilities, he has adams abilities, and as we know, from an older episode, we were told adam could be killed with a bullet to the back of his head.

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Dec 11, 2008 8:10AM EST

he does have claires as peter had claires. but doesnt matter really. there are many theorys on all the flaws their are on the show. i just hope some get explained

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Dec 11, 2008 1:14PM EST

ok here is my theroy on the show,
1) Arthur is dead and he isn't coming back, for one the catalyste disapeared when he was killed, that kinda shows he's dead
2) a twig, a piece of glass, and a gun, which one is stronger?a twig and a glass will only be wedge in someones head,a bullet erradicates(however u spell it) the bullet could of gone through the head 4 all we know, but anyway bullets destroy twigs and glass do not
3) none of them have ever been killed when the haitain was around so u cant assume they wud come back from the dead
4) there aren't really any flaws, they just do a bad job of explaining things, the whole thing with daphne is explain in part one of the eclispe, when she is in her room and her dad ask her if everything is alright she says "its happening again" not it happened but taking place, this tells us that it is a gradual process just like Tim915 mentioned
5)the episode where daphne, hiro, Andy, andthe haitain were there, if u paid attention she set it up so she didn't have to get involved she was barely around him, until they knocked him out
6)the haitain didn't lose control of his powers against aruthur, he just couldn't surpress them comepletely thats why peter didn't die but only got a scratch on his face, and its seems like he uses a a field to nuetralize other powers, but since arthur was so strong he had to focus on him OR if he can only put up a field to nutralize powers; slylar being able to use his can be the result that he is stronger than arthur and the only reason aruthur beat him last time is because he was mentally weak cause he thought angela was his mother and he obeyed her instead of his desire to kill
7)certain powers like sylars u have to understand how to use it, peter has always had sylars ability but he didn't know how to use it so the hunger never came
is that it?
8) oh yeah claire cant die from a lack of air, well not totally at least, she was in pain cause thats when she could feel pain so of course it would hurt
ok i think thats it

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Dec 11, 2008 1:17PM EST

oh yeah and for all we know petter has his abilities back, maybe from Aruthur dying or the eclispe coming or going, but one thing is for sure we haven't seen him try to use them yet to see if this is what has happened but just a theroy once again

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Dec 11, 2008 2:09PM EST

i think peter gets his powers back when auther dies because when, he gets the gun knocked out of his hand he gets two cuts on his face.... on on his forehead and one on his cheek.. but at the end of the scene where hes looking down at his dads body the cut on ghis forehead has dissappeared.. either a make up mistake or he has his powers back...

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Dec 11, 2008 2:34PM EST

wow i like this....i've had so many unanswered questions and it seems am not the ony one dat notices....i was startin to fink dat just coz theres other people dat like the show they were oblivious to all the missin pieces or just did not care.
But since we're on this subject i dont know if i missed an episode or sumthin but theres one thing dat keeps on comin back and doesnt et me enjoy wqatchin heroes like i shud be, and dat is dat durin season 2 peter (u cud say) falls for the irish girl dat helps him, they go to the future she gets stranded and now they just left her to die in a cage never to be mentioned again....anyone know sumthin i've missed?

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Dec 11, 2008 2:43PM EST

Who cares? She was annoying :p
In all seriousness, it is a loose end. But it's a loose end I can live with, to be honest.

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Dec 11, 2008 4:13PM EST

yeah i know wat u mean, her story is done, if they got good reviews about those episodes they prob would have came back to that story, but my guess is she is lost in time now; in a future that is no longer to be

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Dec 11, 2008 4:41PM EST

aantoine87 - your 8th point is a bit flawed because claire was unable to feel pain at the point when she couldnt breath...you've got your timeline a bit messed up. i think it was simply the fact she couldnt breath and even she needs oxygen to keep her blood pumping and the oxygen going to her brain.
as for the issue with the haitain being unable to block sylar's powers - isnt it possible that he was concentrating so much on arthur, who was almost getting past his ability, he didnt have any ability spare to use on sylar?

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Dec 11, 2008 7:23PM EST

She cant feel pain because of Sylar took something from her brain to acquire her power. Same goes to how Elle couldn't control her electricity after because Sylar started cutting into her head until she shocked him. Sylar also started cutting into Peter's head in season 1, which screwed up Peter's power, so that is how he couldn't control the radioactivity.
Claire cant feel pain, but she can suffocate, but not die.Scary, huh?
Also, just to let you know:Arthur used telepathy to go into Angela's mind while she was dreaming of the future, and trapped her in her own mind. She wasn't in a real coma, she was just trapped. Like how Maury trapped Matt and Molly in his head.

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Dec 12, 2008 2:58PM EST

Honestly i dont know why people say there are plot holes in heroes. they need to go and watch the episodes again coz THERE ARE NO PLOT HOLES IN HEROES. i mean u hav to think a little. i think some people just put stuff and say they are plot holes so as to "feel among" because other people are saying there are plot holes.Seriously pls if a person thinks there are plot holes just watch the series again and think about it a little. If the writers spend all their time explaining how every single thing happens then the story wont move forward will it.For example when arthur took peters powers he said "u dont hav ur abilitites now. coz i hav them.." and then he forms lightining on his hands. After they show us that how can u see him time travel, one of peters powers, and ask how he did that. and even call it a "PLOT HOLE." SERIOUSLY!!!!

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Dec 12, 2008 3:59PM EST

read what i put after moron. i said i realized that as soon as i posted it. i forgot. mistake. clearly stated

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Dec 12, 2008 4:59PM EST

wat... am I mistaken or r u calling me a moron? look man i wasnt being rude or anything, just trying to express my opinion. so i see no reson why u shud start insulting people.nd am nt saying wat u wrote there is the only wrong thing about plot holes. i hav been reading people's opinions of heroes since season three started nd they hav been saying there are alot of plot holes just like u.so i suggest u go nd get ur facts right b4 u start coming on a site nd making stupid mistakes nd calling people morons because they point them out...

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Dec 13, 2008 2:44AM EST

sorry i just took it wrong way :)

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Dec 14, 2008 5:11PM EST

am sorry too. just read thru wat i wrote again nd can see why took it the wrong way. bt honestly i meant no offence.

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