Heroes Season 4, Episodes 1&2: Did 'Vol 5, Redemption' Redeem Heroes? - Featured

Heroes has been given a hard time by many fans (including my still non-quitting self) the last few seasons as having jumped the shark Season 2, then improved Season 3, but still didn't quite win everyone back.



So, if you were still feeling skeptical about continuing to love Heroes after last season or were loving it by the end, what did you think of the Season 4 2-hour premiere?


If you needed convincing to stay on the Heroes train, did 'Orientation' and 'Jump, Push, Fall' redeem Heroes for you or were you still left disappointed? Then of course on the other hand, if you loved the direction of Season 3, how'd you like the premiere?

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Sep 22, 2009 3:26AM EDT

I want to be impressed by Heroes, I feel bad that everyone is giving it a hard time. I agree season 2 didn't really cut it for me, as it probably didn't cut it for a lot of people, not only was it as one would say "Jumping the Shark"; It was also cut short due to the writers strike, which left the "ending" a bit unsatisfactory and premature. Again, not the fault of the creator or writers.
Season 3 in my personal opinion hit it home for me. A lot of people forget, it may be a "drama show about people with special abilities" but in its core its' pretty much a comic book brought to life, a "drama show about people with special abilities"? You don't need to be politically correct, its' a show about Heroes, hence the name. Maybe not SUPER-Heroes but Heroes none-the-less.
That being said, anyone who reads comic books and watches Heroes (For some reason its' hard to find those who like both or at least give the time to watch and read both) will know what Heroes is doing, and know that its' doing it well. Those who write comic books leave what people would complain to be "plot-holes" not because they aren't aware and ignorant (though sometime that may be the case), a lot of the times they bring it back and then the fans/viewers/readers are suddenly pleasantly surprised forgetting their damnation and curses about the situation to begin with. If Heroes misses something, leaves a plot-hole, I feel like I trust them that one day down the line they'll fill it up. (I could continue about the difference between plot-holes and being left in suspense but thats another rant for another day).
Heroes Season 4 'Orientation' and 'Jump, Push, Fall' has opened a new door into the world of Heroes, with new prospects for villains and heroes alike. Its' exciting to see what is held in store for our favorites. Some seek redemption (Hence the name), but I feel like there could be some that fall from grace. I feel like the show itself wants redemption in the eyes of the followers lost behind, and if they bothered to have tuned in lately they had done just that, again-- in my personal opinion.
So I'll jump on the Heroes love-bandwagon, I have never gotten off to tell you the truth.

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Sep 22, 2009 5:42AM EDT

Well stated willowparadox! I agree 100% with you!

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Sep 22, 2009 8:10AM EDT

stopped watching Heroes halfway through season 3. my main problem was that i didn't particularly like any of the characters... plus Mohinder's copying of The Fly annoyed me...
maybe i'll go back to it if i run out of things to do.

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Sep 22, 2009 8:42AM EDT

I felt it did well. You got new abilities and you get to guess what they're fully capable of and the 'heroes' themselves have become grounded again. Glad to see hiro back with a purpose, in the 2nd season he didn't have one, just stop kensei/adam but sad to hear that he;s dying.
On a side note, is the rumor that Claire will experiment sexually, true? Because if she starts making out with girls, which is great, I will lose all faith in this show. Lesbianism is a tv curse, an act of desperation.

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Sep 22, 2009 3:46PM EDT

Let me start by saying I think Heroes has the most raw potential of any show on the air. I will also say that I dont think the show has lived up to that potential since Season One.
I agree and disagree with Willow as far as Plot-holes. ACtually Im not sure I would describe the problem as plot holes more than I would describe it as plot abandoning. The show has made me excited about the prospect of certain characters only to have that story abandoned and replaced with something not as interesting.
The first time I knew that I was going to love heroes came at the end of the second episode of the first season when theythe showed the first interaction between the future Hiro and Peter Petrelli. I fealt that scene really showed that there was so much potential for how you could groom the characters of the life of the show. I feellike this way of thining has abandoned by the writers.
What I miss the most about the show is the character developement. Some of my favorite episodes of the first season were the episodes where people were confused about their powers and struggling with accepting their powers and how to use them. I loved the powers Peter Petrelli originally had because they left the door open to Peter learning new abilities, struggling with controlling some of those abilities and it was also the power in my opinion that kept the good and evil sides even.
I love the potential for te show and for that reason I have not given up on it, but I wish they could come up with a long term story line that would link all the seasons. So far Heroes has fealt like a series of Stand alone movies more than a primetime show.

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Sep 23, 2009 2:08PM EDT

to jaybo: you talk about character development, but how long can one keep that up? we now know the characters, it's the few new characters that we briefly need to know.
and as a long-term story line, i would say thats sylar. i mean, he's made it to the fourth season. there are always the normal villians that are taken care of there and then like adam/kensei, mr petrelli, the government (not exactly villians but they opposed the Heroes). but sylar is still there, he's like the 'ultimate villian' that will result in an awesome ending once he's done with.

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Sep 23, 2009 6:07PM EDT

I gave up on heroes mid 3rd season cause the plot was getting a little too f'd up for me. But i must say that the beginning of this season looks promising. It felt like it had the original first season charm to it. So let's see where it goes, but i'm once again hooked on heroes.

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Sep 23, 2009 7:10PM EDT

Like willowparadox I really want to like this show. I've stuck with even though it has had its issues.
There's too much reluctance to kill any of the original cast while new characters are introduced and randomly killed off (Sylar killing off the admittedly weak character of Elle after running off together) or abandoned (Monica Dawson). Tracey's new power is pretty neat, but she's still boring and the lamer character of Nathan still drags on for the moment. I suppose at least this storyline keeps Sylar side-tracked for the moment. He's a great villain, but it seems like he would be hard to sustain in such an over-powered state for many more series.
I, like Ambushinobi will likely quit if Claire has a lesbian experiment. It seems too much of a gimmick to get people to watch. It's bad enough that Heroes has copied heavily from X-men and the Fly in storylines.
I will be sad if it goes, but it'll give me an excuse to listen to a stranglers song...

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Sep 24, 2009 7:31AM EDT

I have to agree with most of the pros and cons written till now. I too felt the sudden ending in season two, due to the writers strike had had it's tole on the whole series. And of course the first season was acted written and shot with a spark of geniality, and that's hard to continue.About character development, i'll have to dissagree with chinabb, for the characters always have to evolve, it's only the situations that they face that has to trigger this development, and unfotunately the last two seasons it was more action less psichological difficulties that our still beloved heroes had to face.As for the toppic at hand, the first look at the new season seemed interesting. I particularily like the new travelling circus of heroes, storyline witch seems to have enough to offer. The sylar in my mind storyline seems too sudden, i would have rather waited in suspence a bit before seeing him again. I like peter as the lonesome hero looking for redemtion, allthow it didn't quite convince me yet. as for Claire, i'm sort of sick of the same story, we've been trough this "i'm hiding who i am, but someone finds out, and now what am i going to do" two times before, she might be going to college but same story again.All in all i liked the new series beginning as it does remember the style and feeling of the first season. We'll see where they'll take us in the next episodes, and maybe, just maybe for now, the show will live up te this volumes title and find it's redemtion within the ranks of lost and fallen Heroes fans.

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Sep 24, 2009 2:38PM EDT

To chinabb: Character development should go on for the life of the show. That is what makes good shows great. Im also not sure if I would say one character would be the basis for the long term storyline. If that was the case, the show should have been titled, "Sylar". The long term story should involve most of if not all of the main characters of the show.
I also thought that the first episode of this series was really good. I have just become reluctant to get excited because all of the dissapointment over the last 2 seasons. If there was one thing I did not like about the premiere I would have to say it was the little side story of Hiro going back in time, seemingly to bring Ando and Hiro's sister together. From being able to stop time or travel through time, he's become a character that's dying, cant control his ability and when he is using his ability its to be cupid? I undertsand hat Hiro is a funloving character menat to bring some humor to the show, but I thought the idea of eventually making Hiro a more serious character was very intriging and could have been drawn out for long time. Like most of the posters have said, I REALLY want to love this show. I told so many people about the show during the first season that people started to think I had money invested in the show.
Again I would like to state that I think Heroes has a tremondous amount of potential. IT just seems like the writers have not been able to "Bring it home" so to say. I think the show is still very good and building up the story line, they just havent been able to provide us with an impactful finish. I dont have a new character introduced even if for an episode as long that character has an actua purpose and is not there to fill up space or time.
Lastly I would love to see the writers get back to what links these characters together. That was something that kept things interesting for the entire first season. Are the new characters linked to the old characters in any way. I think linking curreent storylines to past stprylines could help bring back the magic that once was.

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Sep 25, 2009 4:09PM EDT

I agree that season 1 was the highlight(so far) of Heroes. I do however have to disagree over season 2 which seems a faviorite for those who like to point to the shows failings, and Adam/Kensei is unfiarly unloved. Season 3 for me was actually the greatest let down; the season establishing an awsome overall story arc, but ruined by the charector response to the unfolding events, which often completly lacked any level of believablilty. The worst thing in that season though was Daphnee died. No wait she's still alive, no nows she's dead. This seemed a completly pointless wastle of time on both a plot level and a charector development.
Anyway this is supposed to be about season 4 for which all I can say is, "looks promising, but we will see.........."

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Sep 25, 2009 11:25PM EDT

This season is going to be amazing for one reason only. Robert Knepper.

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Sep 27, 2009 8:41PM EDT

I thought season 2 was good compared to the 3rd season, many avoidable plot holes were introduced in the 3rd.Season 4 seemed like it could better, but I really am very sick of quite a few characters.

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Sep 28, 2009 10:09PM EDT

robert knepper. nough said. its gonna be great due to him.

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Sep 29, 2009 1:13AM EDT

I think heroes has potential to be great. We saw that potiential lived up to in Season One. Season two was good untill the writer's strike was announced and they had to cut the ending. They had an amazing season created and they had to scrap half of it. If you have read into what the season would have been like i have you will think it was amazing as i do. The two new characters, Alejandro and Maya, were going to save the world with their strange power of destroying diseases. They cut out all the new characters (characters which they didn't were cut out early season 3) which was a big disappointment because yes we do love the heroes we see every episode however their story lines are always the same. Claire goes back to school like three times throughout the whole series, watching a brother and a sister run from the police was a great change and watching Monica go through her new changes was interesting as well, shamefully they cut her scenes in Season Three.As for Season Three i think it was done well. We saw alot more characters and there were alot of twists, however i think due to the cut of the second season everyone seemed to see the negatives alot more then the positives. EVERY SHOW HAS NEGATIVES. But heroes just made them more viewable to its audience when they got pissed at the shows cut.

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