Heroes: Tripping over its own rules?

I just had another one of my realizations after re-watching the series. According to Angela, when Peter goes back in time and shoots Nathan, one of the things she yells at future Peter is: "Since you came back in time, everythings screwed up. The future is not how I dreamed it, something different happens now." -- By those rules, how then, does Isaac Mendez's Ninth Wonders work? Even in seasons 2 and 3, the Heroes look through his comic book of the future, to see what they're supposed to do next. However, since Isaac Mendez died in Season One, and the only future he saw, even until his last painting just before Sylar walked in, was New York exploding. How, then, did he make comics about what happens in the future where the bomb doesn't explode? And then when the future changes again, from the world being split in two from people being given abilities, to this man hunt we see now?

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Feb 26, 2009 7:28PM EST

well maybe she just has shitty future seeing abilities and mendez had really good ones... and what I mean by that is meybe issacs visions were suposed to take into account people going back in time and changing the past...

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Feb 26, 2009 9:58PM EST

Or maybe the big events that Issac visioned still come to pass, but have different consequences now. For example, say Issac invisioned a couple getting married, which they do, but rather than living happily ever after, now they have a miserable marriage, or one partner is killed. In that case, both Issac and Angela would be correct. The vision takes place, but it is different than it was going to be.

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Feb 26, 2009 10:23PM EST

your right man
the space-time thing is really complecated because Peter went back to the past becaus of what someting happened in the future but when he shotted him his future automaticly disapear so he never accualy lived in the future.
That means that heroes space-time is based on the idea of paralleles world.But like Tazzy07 said Issac draw this to provoque Thing so people of the future come to change the past but If that was right witch it is that means that is a space-time coutinium hypotesis so Heroes crew are TRIPPING OVER THEIR RULE

BUT IT'S JUST A SHOW SO IT DONT MATTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!tanks you

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Feb 26, 2009 10:24PM EST

Tazzy: Well, if that were the case, it would just give me more reason to hate the show, because things like that should have a clear set of rules, and not being all loose with then @.@ And if Isaac's power did work they way, he wouldn't be freaking out over the bomb exploding the way he does, once he accepts he can paint the future, he'd know it wasn't going to happen that way.
tvqueen: But they look through and follow the comic book exactly, though they don't actually show the entire comic book, they show it the begging, then somewhere in the middle, and then the end every time, occasionally we catch random pages. But its always just what happened/happens.

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Mar 3, 2009 2:10AM EST

Meh the way I see it was Isaac's powers weren't to predict the future so much as they were to write it. Basically if his comics never existed 99% of what happens would not have occurred but with Angela she only see's it as its written and that probably changes constantly causing her a serious Mind F&*^ from time to time.

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Mar 3, 2009 4:00AM EST

@KotaShinikami: Like the paintings, the comic books show scenes of events that will happen. It does not interpret every single detail of every reaction to those events, but rather it usually focuses on the main people involved and others in the immediate scene. You are assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that Angela's dreams match up to the predictive visions the others have had. What if Angela's dreams were predictions of how things were going to be, yet Peter coming back changes them to more closely align with Issac's predictions of how they actually happen in the future? What I mean is what if Angela's power is different than Issac's? What if Angela can only envision the timeline as it is in the current reality? She would see the timeline events as they were before, then see the timeline events when the reality changed, and was able to recognise they changed. However, what if Issac's powers are different in that he sees only the accurate endgame, and the accurate points along the timeline. Therefore, he would envision the steps up to Peter changing the timeline, and then the steps that follow after the change, rather than the alternate endgame that would have happened if Peter had not changed things. So Angela's dreams would be ABCDEF, then aAaBaCaDaEaF (a=alternate) after the changes Peter made. Whereas Issac would see ABCaDaEaF, and put that in his comic books (between C and aD being where Peter made the changes. Does that make sense?

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Mar 3, 2009 5:03AM EST

I think tvqueen is right

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Mar 3, 2009 6:32PM EST

The problem with what tvqueen said is, that if that is how Isaac's powers worked, he would have seen that Sylar gets stopped. And wouldn't have thought it was peter, wouldn't have shot Simone, wouldn't have allowed himself to be killed by Sylar so easily.

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Mar 3, 2009 8:47PM EST

That goes back to what I said about not interpreting every single detail. Isaac definitely painted his own death. He just misintepreted the killer's identity because the killer was in the shadows of the painting, IIRC. And he did see Sylar get pigstuck with Hiro's sword.

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Mar 4, 2009 5:00PM EST

But Sylar DID kill him, it wasn't misinterpreted. And the person he painted looked exactly like Sylar, you just couldn't see his face. And he did entire comics about what the heroes were going to do, it may not include every detail, but it was damn sure enough to show that New York wasn't going to blow.

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Mar 5, 2009 12:52AM EST

And it didn't blow in the endgame. However, what does that have to do with Angela? We have no idea, IIRC, what she dreamed or didn't dream about that.

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