Heroes Speculations

The fist two episodes were okay, and were very successful in making me want to know what happens next.


It doesn't make sense, though, that future Peter was able to put the past himself in a different body, and then future Peter not get affected.


And then this: It seems as if Heroes copied Mohinder's powers from a Spider-man comic book. Come on guys, be little more original.


Also: What happened to past Peter's old body? And remember when Sylar tried to cut off peter's skull and it healed back? Why then did it work on Claire?


Don't get me wrong, I liked the premiere. It just had (to me) a few inconsistencies.



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Sep 26, 2008 11:57PM EDT

so am i the only one that's confused about everything? what role does peer's mum play in the whole thing? what are her powers? wtf is this half sheet of paper with random chemical symbols and drawings on? kinda like where the new band of villains story could potentially go....don't get y parkman's in africa..what's with all the drawings? by that african dude, which was also sumwer else i cnt remember, oh right when suresh got his powers....what's up with nikki/jessica not being nikki/jessica anymore :S just so much new stuff, it's like coz the writers' block stopped season 2 they wanted 2 cram every idea into 2 beginning of the 3rd season...
in conclusion i am f*cking confused and so far don't like where this is going but totally look forward to and hope that all the stories will unfold NEATLY
so am i the only one?

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motionman95
Sep 26, 2008 11:59PM EDT

Read the Heroes Wiki. It helps a little.

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Sep 27, 2008 12:45AM EDT

Peter/Nathan's mother is one of the original 12 or 13 members of "The Company" if you could say so. Her power is that she can see what happens in the future. We find that out when she goes to Future Peter and tells him that he messes everything up, and that she saw something different that what she had after Future Peter came to the present. The half sheet, I believe is the chemical formula for either the cell/gene that gives the powers, OR the formula for the virus that was destroyed. Parkman's in Africa because future peter sent him there, and he just happened to meet another man who can draw/paint the future.
As for your other stuff, I don't know about Niki/Jessica, maybe she has multiple personalities since she spawned a new power and doesn't remember her other personalities.

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motionman95
Sep 27, 2008 12:51AM EDT

Maybe Tracy Strauss is related to Niki and Jessica, but was not raised with them, or abandoned somehow.

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Sep 27, 2008 7:38AM EDT

what makes no sense, peter has claires power toi heal; so why does futur peter have a scar across his face??

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motionman95
Sep 27, 2008 7:48AM EDT

@violete131013: They did that just to make him look cool, I'll bet

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Sep 27, 2008 12:47PM EDT

What I don't understand is..
If Future Peter came back, and changed the past.. (thus future), how can he possibly go back to the future? The future is different, and quite possibly the Peter that is in the future is a completely different guy. With different experiences, so how can he possibly go back? Where can he go back?
In the now alternate future, Peter doesn't even go back to change the past (like the current Future Peter)

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motionman95
Sep 27, 2008 12:53PM EDT

Whoa. How the heck is Tim Kring gonna wrap that up? I can't wait to see!

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Sep 27, 2008 1:10PM EDT

@violete: in the second season I think when Future Hiro came to the present to change time, present Hiro met him and went to the future with him. there was a flash forward where Future Peter and Future Nikki were married and living Vegas, i think. Future Peter had a scar just like the current future Peter in these two episodes. perhaps that is why they gave him the scar, so that we'd all recognize future Peter better.

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Sep 27, 2008 10:09PM EDT

*"It doesn't make sense, though, that future Peter was able to put the past himself in a different body, and then future Peter not get affected."*
Heroes doesn't use 'Back To The Future' time travel. Things change when you go forward from the different action and compare the new future to what 'should' have happened. The person traveling in time doesn't 'change'. Future Peter exists in the present as his own being. He could kill 'Real' (Present) Peter and nothing would happen to Future Peter.
I think the scar represents Hiro wounding him. No known weapon, poison, or disease can permanently scar any of the immortal heroes. If Hiro struck Peter right before/during (phasing in and out?)/after teleporting, would it be possible for his sword to be charged with 'time' energy (quantum particles)? I think it could also be magic as Heroes recognizes voodoo magic and some sort of almost spiritual 'guiding hand' moving things along.
That's just my two cents.

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motionman95
Sep 27, 2008 10:24PM EDT

**Heroes doesn't use 'Back To The Future' time travel.**
That not 'Back To The Future' time travel. That's logic. If an action led up to a future, then someone in the future goes back and changes the action, wouldn't something different happen?
For instance, what if you had to pick between 1,2,3, and 4. 2 is the winning number. But you pick 4, you lose. But if you went back in time and picked 2, you'd win.
Maybe I didn't understand you. But that seems to make sense to me.

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Sep 28, 2008 12:13AM EDT

I've slept on it. It's merely impossible for him to "go back to the hell he came from". (quoting Angela)
Because as soon as Peter shot Nathan, it changed the future. Therefore, the future Peter should have vanished into thin air.. right than and there. Since they didn't, I think the safest thing for them to do is.. kill off the future Peter. I don't know if anybody watched the movie Deja Vu, but that's what they did with Denzels character.

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Sep 28, 2008 6:00AM EDT

finally Heroes season 3 arrived! i loved the first and second season, and from these 2 episodes im sure i will love the third.
at the beginning i thought it started a bit too fast, like sylar already finding claire and mohinder already finding a new discovery... but it still turned out to be great.
this thing about future peter coming to the past and all this confusion.. i agree with bosanac, future peter changed the future now, so he should just disapear. thats what i think anyway.
that scar on his face... shouldnt he have healed? or is it a side effect of a particular power, like mohinder's skin peeling off 'cause of his new power...
speaking of mohinder's power, what happened to him?? i liked his character from the previous seasons, and now he became a classical mad scientist experimenting on himself.
the part of niki/jessica/tracy... confusing xD . i mean, niki was in that building that exploded, so how does tracy come in? she cant be niki, or she would be aware of her other personality the way jessica did.
confusing as it may be, that's what i like to watch. these episodes got me hungry for more xD. what will happen next?

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Sep 28, 2008 8:17AM EDT

is no one conserned about mrs.petrelli calling sylar her son? or by his real name gabriel? how would she get this information?

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Sep 28, 2008 12:51PM EDT

Hey! I think the time travel thing is based on the theory that a time traveller enters another space through time travel. Events that are affected will not matter to his future self because physically, he is in another space, his future self is not present. While peter go back to the past, his body is susceptible to threats in the time he is in. Another rule is that: while time elapses during his time travel, when he returns to the future, the same amount of time has been spent. This gives logic to the show as it means that his time travel doesnt buy him more time to live, and thus he can age and die. This is shown in the episode where hiro traveled back to save charlie earlier, and ando had to wait for him for a couple of months while he was missing. If he can go back to the future, live for a couple of months, and return to the split second where he was still talking to ando at the restaurant, then the show is flawed.Well, i think all these powers are already giving enuf headaches to the writers. and the whole web of who knows who, and how are things related between people. I bet the writers have a mindmap as big as michael scolfield's prison break plan on the wall... Give them a break man! hahaha...

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Sep 28, 2008 5:35PM EDT

@pigmoon: I don't know if your response was to my post, but I don't think you quite fully grasped the confusion.
I'm more interested in what led to the time travel, than what happens after it. You see, the future shown with Claire and Peter is what led to Peter going back and changing the past. However, once Peter changed the past.. in the future, he doesn't go back to change the past. So.. therefore, he can't be in the past and especially for a reason that now does not exist.

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Sep 28, 2008 6:06PM EDT

@tripleq: Haha I'm actually very concerned. I hope she's just saying it to confuse/trick Sylar. If everyone turns out to be part of the same dysfunc family I won't be so happy...
And I think the whole scarred-Peter time travel thing is good. For one, how would the audience differentiate between the present day and future Peter? (well..now that he's stuck in the other man's body it IS easy but after he gets out miraculously, the scar will make everything easier)
About being able to cut open Claire? Remember he was interrupted while trying to cut both Peter AND Claire previously so he was only successful this time because she was completely immobilized. (I think..)
I'm really not sure what to say about the whole Nikki/Tracy/Jessica thing but I DO think Tracy is aware of the other 2 sides. She was clearly getting upset about her past being brought up which triggered her frosty reaction.
In any case I'm very excited for the next episode and I hope it brings new answers..and new mysteries to discuss.

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Sep 29, 2008 3:07AM EDT

Hmm... I kinda get wat you mean actually... but its like... the show butterfly effect, when the time travellor changes the past, chain reaction occurs, and eventually, he has the power to go back to the present, but not the same present that he recognises anymore. He needs time to start learning what happens. There was one sci fi i read before that talked about time being like spaces like baggages along a conveyor belt. Instead of them being a sequence, past and present are concurrent happening. It is just the space you are in. It doesnt really matter if peter gets killed, or anyone gets killed during the time that he traveled past, its like Hiro going back to 500years ago, I think even if peter were killed in the future after he has altered future, he will not vaporise. Pretty confusing huh. Im getting caught in my own explanation as well. any sci fi fans here?

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motionman95
Sep 29, 2008 3:13AM EDT

Err...um..(Explain it, Tim Kring!, dammit)

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Sep 29, 2008 6:00AM EDT

*"That not 'Back To The Future' time travel."*
Umm...(scratches head)...That is exactly how time travel works in the BTTF trilogy. You might want to watch the movies. The time traveler is affected by things done to his/her past 'self'.
Heroes doesn't work that way. People traveling to the past aren't 'tied' to their past selves. Future Peter's life up until the leap has already happened FOR HIM. He doesn't need to recreate or ensure that events go forward in the present timeline the way they did for him. Future Peter is a separate person from 'Real' Peter.
*"Maybe I didn't understand you."*
The easiest way to understand the way Heroes looks at time travel is to consider it a matter of perspective. To the people in the present, the horrible future hasn't happened yet. Real Peter would need to have the same experiences in order to turn into Future Peter. Changing the future would stop THIS Peter from becoming an eventual Future Peter in a horrible world.
However, Future Peter is coming from a future that has ALREADY HAPPENED from his perspective.
I hope this helps.
On the scar...
This is going to play a big part as Heroes likes to use visual clues that appear to mean little or are hard to decipher until later in the season. I'm still betting on a power used against him in a strange circumstance. For instance, a speedster could slice Peter right as he is about to teleport/time travel.
It will be fun to see the explanation.

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Sep 29, 2008 7:33PM EDT

Alright, that seems possible. However, it seems that you are missing a little detail that has me bugged. Let's just say, for example, that what you say is right. And that 'future Peter' can go back to the future and just live out his life. How does the real Peter, in the future, become the 'future Peter' that is affected by an experience that hasn't happened to the 'real Peter'. How do they become one Peter?

They obviously are not one anymore. In my mind, future Peter has become a different person than the person the real Peter will become in 4 years.

I realize this may trivial to some of you, but if I want to keep watching these series.. it has to make sense for me. It can even be on the borders of possibility. However, it's not. If they decide to have two Peters, I can make my peace with that, because it 'can' happen. It should happen. Hell, even if they kill off the future Peter, I won't mind. Perhaps, I've solved the puzzle. Perhaps.. that is what this little chapter will be about. In Angela's dream, we clearly see Peter dead.
Or am I just overthinking the plothole?

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Sep 29, 2008 7:42PM EDT

There was a movie once, which dealt with this problem very well. The Butterfly Effect, movie that stars Ashton Kutcher. Now, when Ashton changed the past and went back to the future.. the changed memories would rush into his brain. He would start bleeding from his nose, but he would be affected by what happens differently with a changed past because he would develop new memories. Is that going to happen with Peter, too? I doubt it.

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Sep 29, 2008 11:50PM EDT

I think this is pretty much like the butterfly effect, in which, the body that has traveled to the past, will not know what happened during the new future that he has created, until he goes back to the future. In the case of butterfly effect, it is different because the body doesnt leave the future, its just the MIND. Thats y when he was young, those times that his future self went back, became blackouts instead of him vanishing. and when his soul returns to the future, he suddenly gets the memory rush.
In Heroes, time is understood as space. Time travellor leaves wholly as an object.Like what the last guy said.... the events are not tied. So, when something bad happens, and peter decides to travel to the past n make changes, the new future happens while he is doing that... and the real peter is affected by the new future, only up to the time when the future self made the time travel.

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Sep 30, 2008 3:14AM EDT

The problem is though, pigmoon, is that.. the 'energy' or mind of the future Peter would rush back into Peter "after he shoots Nathan". How does he, unawarebly, go into shooting his brother?

How would he know to do that? Because, this time, the dominant side of his mind isn't aware of it. You don't all of a sudden get a sensation that you have to go into the past, and shoot your brother or the World will go into chaos. It doesn't work like that.

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Sep 30, 2008 9:40AM EDT

hmm im really curious about whats gonna happen... mayb claire's gonna become a villain because she loses persceptive because she cant feel pain :/
what the people mean by the time travelling concept is that a hero with time travel powers isnt any 'part' of the time concept and can move between time without being affected while the people in bttf are just normal humans and still are affected by changes
im also curious about the nikki/tracy stuff... maybe the hatian (where has he been this season?) took her memories after she switched abilities
well that wraps up my part... do waht you do cuz a pirate is free, u r a pirate

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Oct 1, 2008 4:23PM EDT

this is reeeeally confusing, this bit about time travelling...
the way i see it, future peter went to the past (mind + body) and changed everything. but unless something happens that still results in the same situation in 4 years time, he should be gone, vanished.
i dunno how tim kring will sort this out, but im hoping for a great and unexpected solution xD.

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