My Objections to Heroes

Firstly, despite my disappointment at the new series I'm intent on watching until the end of the season in order to see how the writers will get out of the hole they are currently digging for themselves.


1: Heroes was first broadcast on the premise that these people were advanced human beings, there was nothing in the beginning to suggest that their powers were linked to lunar activity. Suresh's father was able to track down these people because of their different DNA code, are the writers trying to suggest that the DNA of the heroes is susceptible to the workings of the moon?


2: The heroes' powers did not come about because of the eclipse. Each of the heroes demonstrated a power before the end of the episode and it was at the end when the ecplise was seen.


3: Although Peter said in the Eclipse Part 1 that Nathan first flew on the day of the original eclipse, this strictly isn't true. Nathan first flew, as shown in a flashback, when he was being driven off the road and the resulting car crash caused his then-wife to become disabled. He was able to survive unharmed because he flew above his car.


4: How can the writers explain the cause of the previous generations powers in relation to an eclipse?


5: The first series was sparked into action on the message of 'Save the Cheerleader, save the world'. If Claire, the cheerleader, is unable to die why did she need saving? Big plot hole created over that one eh?


6: The doctors claimed that Claire had never been ill yet, according to the show, her powers didn't become apparent until the eclipse, how can this be?




I could go on with more problems that I've had with the logical problems that are being highlighted every week with Heroes, but I don't want to discuss every problem I'm finding with Heroes as it could go on and on.



On a minor note, Claire is possibly the most annoying character ever. Her claim this week that she needed HRG when she was dying was pathetic. What was she expecting him to do, make her power work again? Stop the virus that was affecting her? She does my head in!

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Dec 3, 2008 9:43PM EST

i love heroes too, deeply. i will likely watch until the end just because. in regards to your points:
1. totally agree. weird associations are questions (nathan and tracy were given powers.... but was everyone?). this crap has gotten out of hand from where they started.
2. (true)3. (true)
4. i thought the same exact thing a million times.
5. it had more to do with claire's state at the time. everything would have changed if sylar then had gotten claire's power. i think it also has to do with how thought out, well planned, and well presented the first season was compared to the next ones (and i'm not saying the first one wasn't perfect, either).
6. they said either she had never been ill or her injury wasn't fresh because she was infected... which it could have been since HRG attempted to mend it at home and Claire was sans healing.
on your minor note - i think it's just that she loves her dad (HRG) and if she's lying on her deathbed she wants him there. a little mooshy and heart-string pulling for my taste, but i found her cause believable (that he's gone, even when shes's about to die).

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Dec 4, 2008 4:50AM EST

Completely agree with everything mentioned here. There are so many inconsistencies, and it seems more and more are being added to the pile with every new episode.
Oh, and with regard to Claire, I really do think they killed off the wrong blonde. All she ever does is bitch about how she's special. I just wish Arthur would put her out of her misery already.

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Dec 4, 2008 12:23PM EST

i'm not going to lie at first i believe all ur points but i came up with this possiblity
1) yeah it is post to be based off of DNA or so that is wat they infered but this is what might acually be the lunar eclispe might be the the key that gives people with special DNA their powers, so those with special DNA, their powers are triggered by the lunar eclispe
2)ur pretty much right but maybe as Shuresh he noticed their powers during the eclispe but he also said when he was almost close to solving how to get powers that their powers might be induced based off of adrenaline which i cant remember how many people actually used there powers that first episode but i don't think peter was one, also based off how things work out in the show there must of been lunar eclispes in the past
3) the writters cleared this up nathan isn't the same as they are he was given powers, peter only thought he 1st flew on the day of the eclispe cause nathan is an ass and doesn't believe supernatural events until he is shot and lives, so tell truth i don't remember nathan ever telling peter what really happened on that day he 1st flew
4)based on the fact that arthur said to seresh "i see we share the same interest in the eclispe" well something like that i think he this lets us know that he's seen this b4 just never paid attention to it until he had the power to see the future, though he could of just said that because he drew it
5)cochise is right about this one, if sylar would of gotten to her in the first season he would have killed everybody besides for clair and peter, especially since he has the "hunger" it seems with the hunger he is able to understand the powers easier which in turn makes him stronger than peter
6)Claire has always had her powers thats why she didn't die when her house burned down as a baby, and yeah she was asking for HRG cause he is her father and convientally not around when she needs him
over all i must say that i don't truly beleive my post but this could be the case so i figured i'd put it out there
and i must say the show is all about the lunar eclispe thats why they always show it

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Dec 4, 2008 2:28PM EST

All your points are valid and the show is truly no longer logical. I used to be a rapid fan and I was determined to follow the characters til the end....
Every week I'd grit my teeth and watch, hoping for improvement and denying the lack of it.
But then, about a month ago or so, a heroes episode aired that took place in the past (yet again). Within the first five minutes, I watched Sylar make his first kill again. This was okay. It happened a few years ago.
So imagine my surprise when suddenly Sylar-in-the-past decided killing was wrong and tried to commit suicide...only to be walked in on by Elle, of all people. A character who wasn't even INTRODUCED in the first season.Not only was this directly against everything his villainous character stood for in the old days...it also was cheesy as hell and unconvincing.
Finally, in that moment, I did something I never thought I'd do. I shut the television off and literally walked away. I haven't looked back since.
Maybe the writers are redeeming themselves and have decided to maintain their characters' identities rather than warping them to fit silly plots that seem repetitive and rather dull. Maybe they will realize that a story should be based on people rather than plot. I've been waiting online for someone to say, "it's getting better!" and really mean it.
But no one has. It seems that the fantastic series we loved in 2006 really has disappeared forever.
And everyone's in denial.
I am sad. I am one of the reasons the ratings are dropping, and I don't even feel bad. At least I can always count on Supernatural and Dexter to deliver.
Tsk, tsk.

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Dec 4, 2008 2:29PM EST

* RABID fan, not rapid. ha ha

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Dec 4, 2008 8:17PM EST

Here's one for ya,.. How come arthur did not Vaporize when all power disappeared.
Regen n stuffs like Mr. Kensei.

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Dec 5, 2008 8:10AM EST

and how does a solar eclipse happen all over the world at the same time? when one happened in the UK several years ago, it was dark in about a quarter of the country and it seems that there is one taking place in Haiti!

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Dec 5, 2008 9:27AM EST

aruthur didn't vaporize like Kensei cause aurthur isn't hundreds of years old, and the solar eclispe........well just cause the show shows it happening all over the world doesn't mean that it happened at the same time, cause if u think about it all the heroes that were effected in different places in the world never came in contact with the others which could mean that it happened at a different time

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Dec 5, 2008 9:44AM EST

True aantoine87, but he would not be able to breathe right?

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Dec 5, 2008 2:25PM EST

I see ur point but i would have to say to that, Arthur was healed just like people heal from the power unlike Kensie who was in perfect health but super old, however speaking of these consistencies how the hell did kensie make it so damn far if there have been lunar eclispes in the past wouldn't he have died years ago, then again maybe he did die and as soon as the eclispe is over he is revived from the dust...... I don't know i try to proctect the show but they make it impossible
cause looking at that whole concept of arthur breathing if he could still breath why can't daffany walk? but maybe thats cause she might have been born that way or cause she was never really healed.
i need someones opinion on this

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Dec 6, 2008 1:04PM EST

They never said that every solar eclipse acts the same. Maybe this is a new phenomenon we're seeing when they lose their powers? As for the previous generation, eclipses happen more often than you would think so it's possible that they did get their powers that way. Also I think I read somewhere that the writers said that the eclipse wasn't necessary for the heroes' powers to be exhibited, but that it did speed up the process.
As for what happened with Sylar and Elle in that episode, it's called CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT and most people would enjoy seeing that, as I did.
As for the show not being logical? Hello..? It's about people with supernatural powers and you expect it to be logical. I'm pretty sure the minute they decided the characters would have powers they gave themselves the right to dictate what may affect those powers.
"A story should be based on people rather than plot"? Have you ever done grade 7? where they teach you that a story NEEDS a plot? Characters and conflict and setting and development all help to CREATE this plot? And that stories have subplots and resoltions to these subplots before the overrall resolution of the main conflict?Also the first episode talked about eclipses, and if you knew anything about them you would know that they happen to most of the world, but only certain parts see a total eclipse, and yes it is at different times.
Also losing the power of healing wouldn't undo all the healing that happened it would just prevent it from happening again. You wouldn't expect Claire to suddenly have all of the bones she's ever broken to be broken again would you? Adam's cells needed to be regenerated every second, because he was so old.

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Dec 6, 2008 1:17PM EST

The Writers NEVER EVER said they got powers from the eclipse, the eclipse giving powers has just been characters ideas on where powers come from. the only reason they believe it was an eclipse is because there was one (an eclipse) in 2 episodes and everyone lost their power. I don't remember reading in a definition that an eclipse gave powers.
if the writers did say this somewhere I just missed it, i apologize. but so should the writers for fucking up so bad. because aantoine87 is right, what about Kensie ? He was hundreds of years before the eclipse. if it is the moon that gives powers does this mean whenever theres an eclipse it temporary takes powers away from everyone while it gives away more to other people ? seems a little out there to me :P
yes i agree with aantione87, he was really sick from angelas poison, when he got the power to heal he wasn't sick anymore he didn't have poison in him (or it was neutralized) but he was really only XX years old, I don't know how old he is but its not in the triple digits like kensie was. Daffney couldn't walk becuase she was born not being able to walk and coincidently she got the power to be able to move incredibly fast, with the power to move fast comes to power to move at all.when she lost the power to move fast she lost the power to move her legs at all,becuase she was back to herself.
sorry if none ofthis makes sence or is way off please let me know.

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Dec 6, 2008 1:46PM EST

"As for what happened with Sylar and Elle in that episode, it's called CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT and most people would enjoy seeing that, as I did."
No, that is called retroactive continuity (changing something the audience has seen by adding stuff to make it have a different connotation, and therefore, opening up new possibilities).
"As for the show not being logical? Hello..? It's about people with supernatural powers and you expect it to be logical."
We don't expect the show to be bound by the same reality laws that affect the real world, that's true. But that doesn't mean we should accept anything the writers come up with just because it's the only way to advance the plot. A ficitional universe needs to be consistent with itself, and in this season, Heroes has proven it takes place in a fairly inconsistent one.
""A story should be based on people rather than plot"? Have you ever done grade 7? where they teach you that a story NEEDS a plot? Characters and conflict and setting and development all help to CREATE this plot? And that stories have subplots and resoltions to these subplots before the overrall resolution of the main conflict?"
He was referring to character-driven storylines being overall stronger than event-driven ones. Which is something I support. Heroes should stay balanced between the two, as it was what made the first season great: you had the impending human explosion, as well as the characters having deal with their abilities. But when you start changing your characters just because you need them to fit in with the event you caused, then it all goes down. Characters should stay believable and true to themselves, and if you need them to change, do so appropriately, guiding them through the necessary situations until they become who you need them to be, in a way that does not feel forced or unrealistic.

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Dec 6, 2008 8:59PM EST

Ok yes, it is retroactive continuity, but retcon is really common in comic books. This show is supposed to be like a comic book, and it's still character development. Do we not learn more about Sylar or Elle's character.
I still don't see how Heroes is inconsistent. This is their world, so it's pretty much up to them what can affect their characters. All they do is talk about the show before each episode, do you honestly think that they don't think of all this before you do?
Their not changing the characters innapprioproately, what they showed about Sylar in the past doesn't really change how he is in the present. It just showed more about him, he doesn't just want all the power he can have, he wants people to accept him. He was driven fr power because he thought people wanted him to be more special, when Elle was saying he didnt need to be special the Hunger wasn't controlling him. You have to understand that in season 1 it was so much easier to develop the characters since we didnt really know them so well. but now everyone thinks they know them so well and they object to any development in the characters at all. In my opinion this season is doing great in terms of character development and exciting storylines.
PS he said nothing of event or character driven storylines, he said the story should be based on people not plot, which makes no sense. although when you say it i can understand but i completely disagree, i think they need to compliment each other in a balance of the two and i think the writers hae done a good job of that
PPS sorry about the bad grammar i was in a rush

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Dec 8, 2008 6:45AM EST

If Daphne has broken legs when she doesnt have her power, how come she could walk when the haitian was near her while she was trying to steal the second half of the formula?

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Dec 8, 2008 3:18PM EST

It would seem you've just uncovered yet another plothole. Nice one! :)

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May 9, 2016 12:22PM EDT

True dat soop...
About the Sylar attempting suicide thing that thomtinuviel brought up, the first season did hint at this. When the police (or company ppl - I cant remember who) broke into Sylar's apartment in season 1 they found a room in the back where the walls were covered in demented ramblings asking for forgiveness etc. I thought the suicide attempt effectively closed the question raised so long ago about Sylars sanity and inner struggle with becoming a monster. However, I do think they have gone too far in having Sylar jump back and forth between sides and motives this season, but I am glad it ended with him being the quintessencial Sylar (tick tick tick!).
---SPOILER FROM EPISODE 12---
Why the hell didn't Sylar take either Arthur Patrelli or the Hatian's powers at the end of this episode? I was so pumped for him to gain all of the sweetest powers (which would have included all of Peters and Arthurs as well as time travel and turning off other heroes abilities). God that would have been badass.

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