Item of Confusion [S4E12]

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Please do not read this if you have not watched S4E12, as I would hate to have ruined the secrets of this magnificent episode for you

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Alright, now that I got that out of the way..

I have not read any of the news that has been going around about if David Tennant is returning, and I do not want to, as I feel that would ruin the Finale for me. But that is not the topic of this post.

The true topic is a small item of confusion that struck me when watching this episode. It's pretty small, but it has been making me think:

When the Doctor and Donna enter the Medusa Cascade, the Doctor says that it is the "perfect hiding place," because it is set one second out-of-sync with the rest of the Universe.

Now this may have been one of those topics that you are just supposed to accept/ignore, but it seems strange to me how this sort of thing would work. My question is not of how you can do that, but what, exactly, it means. What is happening when something is one second out-of-sync? Why did it make it so that those 27 planets didn't exist in the Universe? Wouldn't they have still existed, but the Universe would see it as one second later? (Like how when we look at the Sun, it is actually how the Sun was eight minutes ago)

Can someone please try explaining this to me?

Thanks

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Jun 29, 2008 9:59PM EDT

Think of each second as an entire universe. a new dimension... and let's say every time you go looking for it, it's already a second ahead of you, thus an entire world away. Thats how I sar it

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Jun 30, 2008 1:04AM EDT

If you think about it, its quit simple. Its true we do see the sun as it was 8 minutes in the past, but thats the past. The Medusa Cascade is out of sync one second into the future. Therefore creating an alternate dimension within the Medusa Cascade, a dimension in which we cant see because we cant visualize the future. As for the Doctor, when he travels through time and space, he stays on a specific timeline that is one second behind the the timeline of the Medusa Cascade. So he could not see it himself until the cell signal broke through the the time shift barrier and gave him the ability to follow it.And thats my theoretical view
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Jun 30, 2008 1:35AM EDT

My thoughts are pretty similar to the previous posts. The way I thought of it was that if you went looking, no matter when you went to look for it, everything would always jump one second ahead of you. I think that ddizzle86 said it best that having the planets always one second ahead created an alternate universe. Which also ties in to what BadWolf was saying.
I mean, it all doesn't have to make perfect sense - this show depends on the audience just believing what they are told.
I mean, how do all of these planets stay one second out of sync with our universe? I don't know. How is the TARDIS bigger on the inside - who knows. We just have to accept it all, even if it doesn't always make perfect sense to us. :P
I'm sure they could make anything up for convenience sake and we'd fine reasons / ways to accept it as truth. I don't really get a lot of the explanations they give, lol - I just smile an nod politely. :P
Well, in any event - I just keep wondering how Donna is so important to this whole thing... Sure, Donna has some weird tendency to have universes created around her - do you guys think that they will use Donna to somehow trap the Daleks in another universe?
So excited for the next episode.

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Jun 30, 2008 6:45AM EDT

I too have been thinking about Donna and her universes around her. That thing on her back fell off in episode "Turn Left" but still it seems like it's still there as the girl in the Shadow Proclamation noticed.
Now that it's mentioned i'm thinking that maybe she's the one that sets things right and somehow gives herself to save the earth and the other planets that were stolen. But in other hand Caan mentioned that the Dalek who saved hin managed to go back in to a fixed time wih is imposible. Maybe Donna can do the same and brings back Galafray? Allthough it seems a little too big for one episode it still makes more sense that thousands of Time Lords saves the planets than one human, but you never know.
Oh, and another thing, if Donna somehow manage to trap the Daleks in a parallell universe it's still that small problem with the earth hanging around in the Medusa Cascade.

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Jun 30, 2008 4:21PM EDT

Hey guys! Some great thoughts posted. I read that, basically, this 3 parter is supposed to leave us hanging... everyone wiped out. The intent is to undo everything Davies has done, leaving a clean slate for moffet to take over with. I don't know how true it is of course. But wow! From the looks of it, they are well on the way. I also read somewhere that this regeneration ends with 2 doctors. Either 2 davids, due to the paradox from being in the cascade & having people/places from alt universes in the same place. ~OR~ We end up with 1 david & 1 female version. Again, this is all rumors and theory, but how interesting! I truly hope we get to keep David for at least one more season... but from all the UK sites I've seen it looks like the best we can hope for is half of season 5. There's been tons of polls all over UK sites about who should replace him. Most of what I've seen has listed James Nesbit (from Jekyll, which moffet did) and Jon Simms (from hot fuzz/shaun of the dead. also a moffet tie) as top candidates. So I think it's a safe bet they got the inside scoop, and David will be leaving soon... :(Ok, enough of my gossip ravings for now! Can't wait for the finale! Sure I will be back with more thoughts then : )

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Jun 30, 2008 6:12PM EDT

It did cross my mind that there might be a way for Donna to trap the Daleks in an alternate universe, given her weird condition. And perhaps someone (Rose, I'm thinking) could set up that circle-thing that they used in Turn Left to use the powers of that bug-thing to take her back to a useful time (perhaps Galifrey, as said by Johanna), since we know that, using that bug-thing, you can do things that aren't normally possible. Like how Rose told Donna to do whatever she could to persuade her younger self to turn left. Normally she shouldn't be able to do that, like when Rose went back to visit her dad in Season 1, and she touched her baby self. So I'm thinking that there are special things that could be done with the help of this bug-thing.Also, I'd really hate to think that the Doctor Who creators just think of us as an audience who will just accept whatever is thrown at us, and I don't think that they are doing that. It's just hard to think that something that is one second ahead of us would not exist in our time.. It's a pretty strange concept, but that's what I love about Doctor Who!

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Jun 30, 2008 6:22PM EDT

we also have to keep in mind that most of the show is based on fiction! so it's pretty hard to figure out what they will do, since it's coming straight from their wild imaginations! lmaoSo I guess, in the end, ANYTHING is possible. I just hope it involves Rose coming back (couple more eps. would be nice) & David as my Doctor! OR, they could just finally hook up & run off, leaving Donna with the Daleks!! hahaha

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Jun 30, 2008 8:32PM EDT

I'm thinking it is another part of the b.s. science and explenations that The Doctor always seems to come up with.

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Jul 2, 2008 6:46AM EDT

i dun really care who they bring in as long as we get to keep a good personality...of course i love the explanations that everyone has put here but i still think it would be great if galafry comes back...however, i don't seem to think that they would do that with donna because of the fact that the relationship between the doctor and rose will be broken as the doctor's family (wife and children) return...i hope they don't kill anymore characters though...i thought that torchwood is going to have more seasons but it would be a huge blow to the fans if gwen and ianto were killed too....but i think...in order to keep the show going they should do something to decrease the doctor's aging cycle using the daleks or the madusa cascade so we don't lose him anytime soon...if he could only have more regenerations!!!! i can't think of life w/o the doctor...:'( :P lol

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Jul 2, 2008 2:55PM EDT

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He never did have any wife or children, did he? So bringing back Gallifrey wouldn't do anything to his relationship with Rose really. Even his extended family is/was estranged from him and considered him the "black sheep" as I understood it.
To the rest, though, I would be really bummed out if we lost Tennant. I enjoyed Eccleston for the season that he was there, but Tennant really was, IMHO, the best Doctor that has ever been. I've been going back to watch some of the older episodes with other Doctors and I just feel that David has got so much more character and pizazz than all the others. I would really miss him as the Doctor. Heck, he even made my wife like Doctor Who--and that's a minor miracle. Whomever they replace him with (if the do) better be darn good.

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Jul 3, 2008 4:51PM EDT

ZEDent... I think I recall the Doctor mentioning in the doctor's daughter episode that he had kids before. Maybe I am wrong, but that's seems to be what I remember. I also believe he made mention to a wife before too. Like I said, I could have it all wrong! LMAO... Funny enough, my hubby watched Doctor Who and other scifi shows all the time, and I resisted tooth and nail! I didn't mind Doctor Who, but I wasn't a fan by any means. Then they changed doctors & I didn't get it! LMAO... But by mid-season 2, Tennant won me over! I adore him. I've now gone back and watched all the seasons of Who, and even gotten into other shows like Stargate SG1 & Atlantis, Dresden Files, Jekyll, etc... So looks like Tennant is preforming all kinds of wife miracles! ;p

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Jul 4, 2008 1:29AM EDT

I believe it is strongly implied that the Doctor has had children, and possibly married. Not only has he mentioned haveing had kids before in this season... But the very first Doctor was traveling around with his granddaughter. To me it makes it quite clear.

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Jul 4, 2008 6:37AM EDT

Whogirl is right in that the first Doctor traveled with a young girl, understood to be his granddaughter, Susan Foreman. More about Susan can be read here:

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