Gossip Girl: S vs. B - How much is too much?

I really dont like this new bitchie Serena... I hope she gets what she deserves in the end, and hopefully that will be soon... Hopefully its connected with her new BF Aaron Rose:)Its queen B, not queen S and thats how it should be.

I don't know yet...I think I like this new human side of Blair.

I don't know... I want Serena with Dan, I liked it that way, I liked HER more before.S is the nice one, B is a bitch. That's the way it should be.

I disagree i love the bitchy new serena she is far more interesting than the nice one. However the new one is bound to reach a point where her bitchiness get's her into trouble and it's going to be up to Dan to pull her back from the brink. Either way the old Serena will return just not for a while.

serena hasn't been 'bitchy' in the same sense that blair was...all the things that happened in the serena also rises were not of serenas own accord i.e. she didn't not even say yes to having front row seats at the fashion show, her mom did without consent..serena tried to put her friendship with blair first. its only when blair kept trying to sabotage her that she actually 'changed'....even then she wasn't being that 'bitchy'. remember what she says...(not exact) 'from now on im going to be me, if you can support me and nt be competitive then great, if not.....' that means that the decision is up to blair whether or not she wants to be serena's friend. jealousy is an ugly thing..i think serena was willing to share the throne but blair wanted it all to her self because she was insecure. as gg said the brightest star always burns out so serena will either do it to the max ie. over dosin etc (she and georgina will probs b best buddies again for a while) or some big scandal will mean she has to 'hideout' again. blair and jenny will probs team up in an attempt to bring her down but i hope s and b become friends again and rule together.

I happen to like it, I didn't enjoy the first two episodes of this season at all, and was afraid the entire season was going to be a drag. Finally it heats up, and Blair is getting what she deserves, I say good for Serena for finally stepping up and realizing that friends are supposed to help each other shine, and not prevent each other from being who they truly are. I like that Serena is stepping out of Blair's box. If Blair were a TRUE friend, she'd support Serena no matter what, instead she'll most likely do everything in her power to get her spot back no matter who she steps on in the process. It'll only get juicer... I hope.

but you misunderstand Blair, since she's not used to it she feels like it's a betrayal because she doesn't get it but it's not her faultI don't really care who's the queen or whatever, i just hate seeing B and S as enemies...after everything they have been through, with the revelations and everything, it doesn't make sense....and sorry "lawliet" but I read that Josh doesnt want D and S back together because he doesnt want to make the same mistakes he made in the oc

WHAT has serena done that is so awful?? THIS is the bad serena? "OOoooh". I was dissapointed over the lack of action in the episode. She's been running around worried about how blair is gonna feel. "The new Serena" has given her boyfriend who dumped her the evil eye, gone out with a friend who is famous, and walked a catwalk. And yeah, she stood up to blair when she was being a total brat. It's like everyone watching the show is retarded.. but me.

In terms of these "how bitchy actually was Serena" questions...I agree that Serena did very little that was truly awful, but, she clearly was allowing herself to be manipulated by her new socialite friend...as the mean things she said to Blair at the end were pretty much verbatim what Papi had said to her to convince her to do the fashion show in the first place (because Serena knew doing so would hurt Blair). You can also tell that this new girl is nothing but trouble. Furthermore, as a one-time high school girl, there's no way Blair wouldn't feel hurt/replaced by the mere sudden BFF relationship between Serena and Papi.Also, though it was a more a series of misunderstandings that led to the B & S showdown, and while Serena's actions were more retaliation towards Blair than anything else...Serena had multiple opportunities to clear the air/be the bigger person (I mean...she did have sex with Blair's boyfriend once upon a time, so you could argue that Serena should put up with some of Blair's crap because she kinda owes her), but instead actively chose the "let's make this into a war" route.I think this is why Serena's actions are regarded as bitchy; because Serena has developed into a character that we expected more from in terms of maturity - but instead has lowered herself back into the fray of these power-plays with Blair.Needless to say, I think this new/old/whatever she is Serena makes for far more interesting TV!

New bitchy Serena digust me. I really pity Blair. And yeah, It should be Queen B, Not Queen S. I just hope she gets what she deserve and probably become normal Serena.

Serena is being more of a bitch than is necessary. Blair apologized and explained that she was hurt, and Serena's reply was "get over it." And she expects Blair to want to support her after that? Serena's lucky Blair forgave her for sleeping with her boyfriend. Obviously, both of them over-reacted a bit, but that's what makes the show interesting. Bitchy Serena needs to get taken down a few notches.

Queen S doesn't work, and in the end, Queen B always will be there

Can't believe she let her new socailite friend manipulate her, even though they've only been friends for like few days. And Blair's been her's since they were alive. it's really weird how Serena had ditched Blair because a) she wanted revenge against Dan so S took all B's power that she gained with so much work and b) she met a new socialite friend. As Queen B and Jenny said, Serena just has everything with the snap of her fingers. There should be like an episode where Serena finds out that you can't just get things like that.

There's things that I agree with, and other things I don't. First of all, nobody should feel bad for Blair, she deserves anything bad coming to her. She's a bitch. However, that's what makes us love her, and that is definintely not what makes us love Serena. People are not used to seeing this side of Serena, and maybe I don't like it, but it's not because of anything she says to Blair, it's because I just don't like it. Everyone who doesn't like Serena for being mean to their precious Blair really needs to think about that. Blair is mean to everyone. Since when did being mean make you hate her?! Anyways, I also think that Jenny talking shit about Serena was a joke. Jenny needs to get a life. She's so annoying sometimes I swear. I will only like this girl when she stops trying to be a wannabee, and appreciates the people who help her; like her father and Serena, and stops trying to be "cool" and hang out with Blair, who up until recently didn't care a rats you know what about her.

Hey I think we are all getting things missunderstood here, ok yes i suppose Serena was a drunk and kind of a slut, and yes she was never a bitch, but after trying to overcome her past in season one and trying to proof everyone who she really is she was always being misjudge by fucking Dan who is so full of himself, blair, ever her mom, there was at least one or two episodes in which people misjudge her and make her feel like shit so is O.K. if everyone used to believe she was so mean, and a bitch I think it is great she finally became one, and about Blair, please how many times was she mean to Serena, about Nate and Serena having sex GET OVER IT, and it is not mean at all that Serena told Blair to GET OVER IT is right, she has been holding back in order to not hurt Blair, it is time for our little bitchy Queen B to grow up and be just a little mature

Yea I understand that B had to work for attn. from her mother and that can really scar a child and blah blah... but guess what.. It's life! Why should Serena hide who she is? Why should she dim her light for B's poor little insecure heart. It's hard but she needs to grow up and sometimes the only way to learn is if you're given a good dose of reality.... Serena should have told her this a long time ago. ..things are heating up..Let the games begin. Play on bitches!

I totally agree...serena might be able to tone it down a little bit but wat her frnd poppy said was true...now blair dosent like it that shes not center of attention...serena is still the good person cuz she never wanted to not help backstage, her mom said she wud do it..and she didnt wanna go out on the runway cuz she knew it wud hurt blair...however blair is vindictive n will do whatever she wants to try and win at some competition she has built up in her head even if it means really hurting someone.

i still love serena, even if shes bitchy.i think this makes the show nicer though. (:

I love this show, and I think Serena has been a great character. I like her even more now that she's standing up to Blair! I get that B thinks it's hard to be friends with someone so "perfect", but all those dirty tricks she tries to pull are just annoying and immature...

i don't think Serena became a "bitch" rather than, she now focuses more on herself than othersstanding up to B was not the bitchy part, the bitchy part was when she said "i'm gonna go to the show, sit in the front row and enjoy it"and yes B is the queen bitch AND a spoiled manipulative brat, but she also loves her friend and opened up to her about how hurt she was why i don't like the new Serena though, is that she has the upper hand and steps all over Blair when she already knows her character ..but then again even when she was "good Serena" i still disliked her and loved Blair so i might be a little prejudiced about this oh and @ mlund: don't be so aggressive and insulting, and saying "It's like everyone watching the show is retarded.. but me." is actually showing the OPPOSITE of what you mean and backfires at you :)

I'm a true Blair lover. She's like the EXTREME of my personality but I still love her lol. Serena should be more understanding of Blair's feelings. She says 'oh I don't wanna hurt her feelings' yet continues to overstep her boundaries. However Blair does need to learn how to share the spotlight. Serena is not made out to be a bitch...she's just too damn cold, it doesn't seem right. Blair, as evil as she can seem, being the bitch is apart of her damn personality. You gotta love it lol. As for who's the stronger of the two? I KNOW my girl Blair is gonna do one number on Serena. Serena's not as cutthroat as Blair.

I agree with you stardust but remember, it wasn't Serena's plan to hang out with Poppy at the show.. She was asked to by B's mom if I remember correctly. Serena tried explaining this to her. Didn't Serena go over to her house to actually talk to her about it and invite her to the party. S has good intentions. As I said, it's not her fault that "glamor" follows her.

Serena was being bitchy in the sense that she was being a horrible friend. First of all, if you've been best friends with someone your whole entire life and even though this friend knew you'd once slept with her boyfriend and that you'd accidentally "killed" a man before yet she was willing to forgive you for this and move on, would you seriously ditch said best friend for some socialite you'd met like a week before? Honestly, Serena bought way too much into what Poppy was saying to her. Second of all, Eleanor may have gone around Serena to make the seating arrangements, but Serena still had the option to stand by tradition and see the show from backstage with Blair. And I know magna pointed out that Serena went over to Blair's to talk about the situation, but that's not really what happened. Serena went over there to offer her a conciliation prize, sort of like "I'm ditching you for my new friends and just so things could be good between us, my new friends are willing to get you into this exclusive party we were going to afterward". That is called bribery and being an awful friend. Blair may be a bitch, but she's been one hell of a friend, staging a plan to get rid of Georgina, taking care of drunk Serena (both in the past and after Georgina's return), forgiving Serena for sleeping with her boyfriend... And just as a side note, for all of you saying that Serena sleeping with Nate is old news...If your best friend slept with your boyfriend, whom at the time you loved with all your heart and thought he was "the one", would you be able to get over it just like that? Be honest with yourself.

I LOVE the new "bitchy" serena. I'm just glad we can stop hearing about her and dan all the time! The show is moving on and maybe chuck and blaire will finally be together again!

I really don't think Serena is a bitch in any way. Trust me, I am not defending her, but all she's been doing is stepping on eggshells for Blair, and now she's not. I just don't see how that makes her a bitch. Actually, I think it makes her a little more tolerable to say the least, she is no longer a whiny-considerate-goody-two-shoes, I like the new oomph in her. Adds a little character, you know? This could be completely off track, but I think it's because we all love Blair so much, that when we just saw her ass getting kicked by the 'gorgeous' Serena, we didn't like it. Anyway, what happened to the Lord and the Duchess?! I got really pissed off when they didn't even mention them (and their mischievous doings) last episode, especially since it has been completely focused on them for so long. Argh.

It doesn't seem that hard for Serena to act like such a bitch. The only reason she is a bitch, is because she has a reason to be. She doesn't like being treated like she's better than everyone else, but because everyone else sees her that way, she has no other choice. I don't think Serena is a bitch at all, she just seems like she is. B should've been supporting S, but instead made the situation worse by handing the wrong dress to S, and S thinking it was so nice of B. B is manipulative, and always will be. Serena never would be at all.

I dont think Dan and S should be together, now it feels like shes being herself... but i dont think we will see a queen S for very long... I bet Chuck and B are gunna come up with something.. they always do

Gosh! I find the 'new' Serena a real pain in the ass! At least with Blair we sorta see the decency to mask her bitchiness whereas with Serena she just sorta lets it 'shine' through. I used to root for Dan and Serena but now I'm just kinda glad he broke it off with her. The other thing with Blair is, you sorta feel sorry for her cos' of her issues with her mum and her dad etc. What Jenny said in the last episode was though, Serena sorta just glides through, she and Blair has to work for their popularity.

i love it. there's no drama when people are nice. drama=entertainment

i can't believe she is bein a bitch but blair really deserves it i hate the way how she tries to mess up everyone its about time some 1 show her she aint d only bitch in town....but i want serena and dan back together.........i jus love that couple sigh........

the only time i ever saw Serena be "bitchy" was to Dan at school when everyone was ignoring him. She did look out for Blair. She put her friendship with Blair first. Till Poppy woke her game up about that if Blair was a true friend she would want you to shine too. Blair was hatin like always trying to f*** shit up at her mom's fashion show.

blair has been a bitch for far too long, i think she deserves to be stood up to, and serena is the only one who can do it. Serena isn't being a bitch, people are overreacting

This is just a TV show, why is everyone getting so worked up about it?But i must say, it should be Queen B, not S.

i disagree with all you Serena dd what she had to to get blair to understand and i want serena and nate to get together they just belong together there the same they complete each other

anelis: Hmm backfires.. No, I think I made a pretty accurate comment :)

sketch1, you are spot on!and i agree, Serena's not exactly being bitchy but that doesn't mean that she isn't nasty. She should cut Blair some slack, B works very hard to make people like her but being Serena's best friends just makes it more complicated. Who can blame B for being jealous. And B pours out her soul to S but what does she do? She doesn't give shits about it. And she goes off with a girl that she met two weeks ago! What a great friend. I reckon S should have at least let B down slowly. Telling her to get over it is just her being another Blair. Poor Blair, i hope good things come her way soon.i think Blair fits perfectly as Queen, Serena's an amateur. I like S way better when she was nice but it helps the story XDAnd i don't like Poppy at ALL! i smell trouble...lol this is getting more interesting by the minute =D

What I don't get about the new B & S catfight is why Blair is suddenly acting intimidated by Serena. Last season when Blair found out Serena slept with Nate she was ruthless and never showed fear of Serena (except maybe with Nate and the whole insecurity with that, but that's self-explanatory). Now with these new episodes she's shown as extremely intimidated and scared of Serena and losing her place and I just don't understand where that's coming from. It was never shown to us before, and even if it is the whole "Serena from the past" business, it's still poor plot planning on the writers. Serena's actions don't bother me too much so far. I'm just waiting for Blair to find her backbone again and step-up.

sketch1, i agree with you.In 'Serena also rises', i think its a little exagerrated that majority of viewers thinks Serena is being 'bitchy' because she was only like that to Dan. Her lil argument with B about the seating position is nothing! should be considered normal!!and from what i've seen in the show, B has been there for S-when she was drunk during thanksgiving (problably more than that), when she got full clonked at a bar when georgina came back, technically kinda made chuck and nate face each other when they were helping serena,helped get rid of georgina, forgave S's quickie with her BF 'whom she loves and loves her', was defensive and looked out for Serena when Vanessa came into the picture, etc etc etc etc. And Serena left her without saying goodbye while she was also going through a tough time.I also think that the reason why B is so insecure about herself, is maybe because her parents never really paid attention to her, so she feels unloved? nate seems to be in love with serena the whole time, her "friends" at school are easily swayed even though she always work so hard to impress them, her dad ditched her, chuck ditched her, and now marcus cheated on her too- and the last thing she'd expect is Serena hanging out with Papi instead of doing their loved tradition.And B, we all know how she's soo strong headed and stubborn and the last to apologize first, but she ended up doing so at the end of the fashion show, only to be turned down. Salt to the wound man! and Serena is shallow to take on board what Papi said about how "if blair is really a friend, she would support you etc.." SHE DID!!But anyways, the show is definetely getting more intense. :)

ok... serena`s acting is not good!! i mean it`ll be really good to see B n S in action !!! 2gether i hope... but blair`s goodness is not amazing to she`s the 1 who can be mean without no problem... and with no judgemental ppl around!!!! but S. common she is not outshining B...

I like new serena,she got interesting at last,if you want to see good girls playing nicely, then go check out 7th heaven or even 90210, boring.

I dont think this is a new Serena at all....and THIS Serena is amazing!! She is fiesty, has stopped letting bitchy ass Blair "outshine" her and is a better than ever woman. I think Serena's problem is that she is heart broken...come on ladies we have all done it we are heartbroken and we have to show the world we dont care, that we dont want the ex BF to see how much they really did hurt us and in turn make THEM feel horrible. This is EXACTLY what Serena is doing and in the process she is taking away Blair's bitchy self centered reign. When Serena was there for Blair she would time and time again make Serena's problems unimportant to her...when it comes down to it Karma is a bitch and Blair is finally getting a taste of her own medicine.

long live queen B! i do love serena but something hints that her reign won't be as good as Blairs! Blair is quite plainly a bitch which is why we love her and why she is such a good high school queen and watching blair be a bitter under dog is painful. When i picture Serena i see her being beautiful and nice with a "i'm still popular and i know how to party" attitude. When i picture Blair i see powerful, cunning and a "cross me and i'll kill you" attitude. thats the way it should be. Don't get me wrong though, a switch of roles does make good viewing.

I don't think that Serena's being a TOTAL bitch.Yes, i think she's meaner now, but, what she said about the situation with Blair before, (the one about Serena not being able to shine because Blair ALWAYS gets jealous) is totally true. Serena always has to make Blair feel special..Besides, Serena being nice all the time would be BORING.

I love Blair, as she is totally upfront about her being a bitch. Serena is just pathetic. They were best friends and Serena did the worst thing a friend can do to you. And then she just left, without saying a word. She came back a year later, and pretended to be a 'good girl'. Then she stayed back for a while, to earn her friendship back with Blair, and when B totally trusted her, she just gave her an ultimatum; her life, or Serena. Serena is a bad person, but she doesn't put it out in the open, like Blair does. She pretends to be this good, selfless person, when she really is the opposite. I know it seems like Blair is the jealous, mean person, but just think about the SERENA & BLAIR thing from her point of view, and you'll see, that she is much more of a better person, than Serena will ever be. PS. I really hope Blair will be good friends with Jenny.

Oh my goodness.... For those of you who want Serena to go back to being nice and for Blair to hop back on her throne... it just goes to show that you're all boring... it's called CHANGE which is what TV shows DO... they're not going keep the same character plots as season 1 cause in what way is that moving on? They might as well just remake season 1....And what's wrong with a little bit of change anyways? Lets see what happens when Serena's behind the wheel.. Why don't you guys just wait to see how this season is going to play out and how the whole Serena in charge thing goes... you might find that you have changed your mind...

@mlud: yes you showed us that you are unaware of the fact that you are "retarded" as you eloquently put it, and that you obviously did not understand what i meant, have a nice life :)

Uhm.. hellooo? Is everyone losing it? I think Serena didn't even get to her bitchiest range! In case SOME of you don't remember, last episode (Ep5) Serena repeatedly tried to make thing up with Blair, while Blair was doing everything to boycot her OWN mother's fashion show? Who was saying Blair had a human side again? So okay, Serena perhaps was a huge bitch when she was saying the 'blabla, I'm not gonna hold back for you, blabla', but hey.. she was right.. B and S might have been 'best friends' all this time, but EVERY time serena got into the spotlight (by accident most of the time) Blair was green with envy! So I say.. let Serena rule school for a couple of more episodes.. we all know that she's gonna fall someday!xoxoBr

i don't think we have seen the real bitchy side of serena yet because she is still nice!but i really want to see her back with dan!

the new S i like, and the new B i like, as well.. I think the purpose of this is to show everyone that S can be a bitch, and that B can be nice. It makes you wonder that if someone stepped up to bitches, then maybe they'll step down from being one. Also, i think S is gonna go back to her nicer self when Dan gets injured, and she realizes how much she really cares for him! I really hope they get back together...

i think every person in upper east side will have a chance to be a bad bitch primadona person..like S..and Dan..they were never suppose to be a pain in the ass but they had.. i think it spice more of the show because it shows in some way no matter how good you are you became the worst because of your love.. and the way that someone stands for blair and having cat fight with her and its not jenny..that was incredible..a must see.. for all we know..B will realize how bitch she is..when S will dethroned her..

also this discussion about characters changing roles that may or may not suit them brings my attention to dan! i do like him but he's so arsey/cocky. at first his sarcastic comments are what made him quite cool but he is getting a little too big for his boots atm.

I think it's an interesting twist. Serena has apparently resorted back to her old ways -- not realizing how much she is actually hurting those around her. More specifically, her best friend. It has been said that Serena is someone who has gotten everything by doing nothing and Blair is someone who has done everything and gotten nothing. Everyone knows that everyone has good in them, but what I think the change in character is trying to convey is not that Blair CAN be nice/human/not bitchy but she is just like any other person whose whole world can be blown over with one little push.