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Vile Villains: And the Most Evil TV Villain Is... - Featured

We started Round 1 with 16 of the most evil TV villains around from your nominations, and now it's down to the ultimate victorious vile villain!!



So, in our final villain duel between Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Angel's Angelus and Heroes' Sylar, the winner is... Angelus!


While Sylar fans put up a seriously good fight, it turns out no one's a match for Angelus... or at least the Buffy fans around SideReel!


Do you think the right vile villain took the win, or do you fee like Sylar or another villain around earlier in the race should have been the victor?

Comments

| Mar 27, 2010 9:29AM EDT
Its a shame The Master from Doctor Who didn't even make the selection, never mind raising hell/the devil/some other evil nasty, he almost succeeds in his goal to end time and the universe and wipes out a couple of species in the process.
| Jan 6, 2010 8:57AM EST
i think that angelus is way more vile and evil because he doesnt just kill to gain, he enjoys it. remember when angelus killed ms. calendar and then put her on giles' bed and then put rose petals all around the house just to toy with giles. and instead of just killing buffy and willow he draws pictures of them sleeping. and i think that dark willow is even more vile and evil than sylar because not only did she flay a guy but first she tortured him by making a bullet move slowly through his body in the most painful way possible, but without killing him, whereas sylar simply cuts off people's heads for gain. and also i think the trinity killer should have been considered further but i think when this contest was happening, the fourth season of dexter wasnt finished.
| Dec 22, 2009 1:45AM EST
I'm just going to say that in my opinion that Angelus is much more evil than Sylar. Now I'll admit that Sylar has his share of evil, but what you first have to understand is that Sylar and Angelus are two diffrent types of evil. Sylar is the type of evil that lust for power and wants to be the only one of his kind. I guess you could say he's the hitler of his kind. Which is pretty evil, but he only does for power which is why he looses my vote.Angelus does what he does out of pleasure. While you must understand that Angel and Angelus are two seperate entities it's made pretty clear in Angel's show that Angelus is always present in Angel. Just traped in a cage begging to get out. For those of you who would still argue that Syler is more evil take the case of Druisalla. Buffy fans have all heard of her. Spike's girlfriend when he was still evil. Angel knew Dru had the gift of sight so he plotted the murder of her entire family. Killed her family in front of her leaving her alive and when Dru had gone mad and retreated to monastary to become a nun he turned her into a vampire to doom her to live with her pain and madness for all eternity. That's evil. If that's not evil enough I know some of you mentioned that Angelus was bad enough because Sylar killed his mother. Well Angelus tortured and killed his entire family. One of teachings to vampires he turned was family blood is the sweetest. Enjoy it. So yes Sylar is evil, but Angelus beats him in the evil department. Although I have to say the yellow eyed demon should have beat Sylar. I mean the dude tried to release Lucifer from hell. That's evil.
| Dec 7, 2009 9:42PM EST
Personally, I would much rather be killed by Sylar than by Angelus. It'd be over much quicker. Angelus is just sadistic. I mean, he stalked and tormented a nun for years (probably) and killed everyone she knew in order to drive her off the deep end, and then made her into a Vampire. Just so she would have to live with her insanity forever. And he did this for fun.
| Dec 3, 2009 4:25PM EST
Good. Angelus had to win. I mean Sylar is evil, but he just kills people because he doesn't value human life. Angelus LOVES torture. He relishes the suffering of souls. He rapes people as he eats them. And kills puppies. I mean, that's pretty evil.
| Nov 10, 2009 5:41PM EST
@samandeepg great idea! I'll make note of it and see what we can work up for around Christmastime. :)
| Nov 9, 2009 5:48PM EST
There should be something similar to this except the opposite like who tops Santa's nice list or something. keeping it with parallel to christmas time :)
| Nov 9, 2009 10:04AM EST
Yes, Angelus, by far!
| Nov 9, 2009 3:21AM EST
Okay, here's a more or less effective analogy: Sylar is the Buffalo Bill to Angelus' Hannibal Lecter. Between Buffalo Bill and Hannibal Lecter, which one to do honestly think it's scarier?
| Nov 8, 2009 9:55AM EST
angelus deffinatly diserved it! he may not be evil as angel but angelus is the baddest bad guy, so what if sylar cuts off heads that's not that bad in most cases they live what maybe 1 second while getting they're heads cut off and he gets nothing out of it while when angelus drinks blood they live most of the way through it and he gets supper..killing and supper is a way better deal and i bet angelus has kill lots more ppl than sylar he's been 'round hundreds of years
| Nov 7, 2009 9:11PM EST
@ EdgeC - oh I completely agree with your assessment of Boreanaz. I meant he was so good at being evil lol.I was being a little sarcastic there at for all those Sylar fans who just won't let it go. @ billgoldberg - I see your point but we couldn't pick who wasn't on the list.
| Nov 7, 2009 4:32PM EST
Oh yes, Angelus, I love him, Angel was way to boring, but turn Angelus loose and things pick up. Glad he won. BTW the real champion was Spike, he fought for his soul, Angelus fought to keep from getting his back, several times.
| Nov 7, 2009 1:56PM EST
Dude, the Yellowed Eyed Demon (a.k.a. Azazel) is way eviler than Sylar. (spoilers) I mean, the man tried to raise the devil from Hell. That's pretty damn evil. Yeah, Sylar cuts off peoples' heads. Big deal. Sylar isn't nearly as evil as the YED. I do, however, believe that Angelus is eviler. The man found so much joy in tormenting. He didn't just kill to live, he made it an sadist form of art. As a fan of almost every show listed above, I am not biased and basing my opinions on favoritism. Just fact.
| Nov 7, 2009 11:09AM EST
Saramcb, once again you're refering to Angel....not Angelus (this is about Angelus, not Angel make reference to previous posts) and if you feel that we didn't seeing anything except a sick inlove vampire then I advise you to see the second part of the second seson of Buffy then come back here and say what you just said. Also to raquelcrystal, it was actually that Angelus was so evil that he got his own show. David Boreanez played the role of Angelus so well that Joss Whedon felt he deserved his own show.
| Nov 7, 2009 10:08AM EST
Ok angelus was a really bad guy, but we really didn´t see any of that in buffy, all we saw was that sick inlove vampire, come on we already have too many vampires inlove and sick!! Sylar it´s a more complex caracter!! so i vote Sylar!!!!
| Nov 7, 2009 6:23AM EST
Angelus, the most evil? Are you kidding me? There are villains that destroyed entire galaxies, enslaved entire species and you guys pick a vampire that killed a few guys? If I had to pick it would either be the Master or the Daleks.
| Nov 7, 2009 12:41AM EST
*Sigh* People arguing against Angelus clearly have no idea about his story. They just think it's the Angelus we see after he did the deed with Buffy. But the character's storyline is a couple hundred years old in which he was a cold blooded murderer! He tortured and murdered hundreds of people - families, kids included, and their pet puppies (<--- well maybe). And he did this all for FUN!- not because he needed to like Sylar. He could have just drank them to death (or convert them), but he choose to torture them so he could get his kicks! But if you want to play it that way...Sylar's so evil that he managed to ruin an awesome show (seriously why is he still in Heroes?!)But Angel was so good that he got his own spin-off. ...so it's settled Sylar is really more evil...
| Nov 6, 2009 10:06PM EST
I thought about the question carefully and voted for Angelus because I adore Joss Whedon and would vote for anything he does.
| Nov 6, 2009 8:42PM EST
I agree with EdgeC - what's the crack with The First going out in round one?! Doesn't this strike anyone else as odd? I mean, you can't really get more evil than well, pure evil. And you know, that's what The First was. So uh yeah... Here endeth the lesson. Ha I almost forgot that was a Buffy quote. I'm so lame.
| Nov 6, 2009 5:32PM EST
What are you guys talking about? "Only Silar can kill innocent people"? Angelus kills children! You can't get more innocent than that! Silar kills so he can get more powerful! Angelus kills so he can entertain himself! you look at him the wrong way and he wil kill you! you touch him and he will kill you!you are the victim's cousin's aunt twice removed and he will kill you! If that doesn't scream evil I don't know what does! Silar is not more evil! Angelus is not Angel!!!!!!! He was forced to turn into Angel! Afterward you can say he was possessed, he is stuck in this mental cage without any say in anything! He is not Angel! Give it up! your persistence is not convincing anybody! And if Angelus gets into a fair fight with Silar, sure, Silar might win. But Angelus is definitely is not going to give him a fair fight, he fights dirty! That's his specialty! Like it was mentioned before! Angelus sided people are giving facts and descriptions and Silar fans are like "Silar rocks!", thats nice......-_-
| Nov 6, 2009 3:11PM EST
What I don't understand is that the quiz is asking about who is the most evil, right? Wouldn't it be better to choose the Devil (A.K.A. 'Jerry') from 'Reaper', or 'Supernatural''s Lucifer, since how can you possibly get any more evil then that? They are the embodiment of evil.
| Nov 6, 2009 1:59PM EST
"""clearly a bitter sylar fan who has no idea of who or what angelus is, or what he has done!" Ok, so If thats the case, If Angelus was so deliciously Evil, then explain Angel ;) The most evil being on the planet suddenly decides to pack it up and be a good boy? Thats not evil, thats Ghey. p.s. to hear a Buffy fan say the word illiteracy and still take Buffy serious is just hilarious. """ --obviously you have never seen Buffy nor Angel -- Angelus had a soul forced upon him, turning him into Angel, a "good" character. He didn't "just decide". Sylar is no match for Angelus's evil. Angelus is literally a demon. Believe me, I love Sylar just as much as the next guy. But I can clearly see the difference.If it were "Who would win in a fight" then I know Angel/us would put up a good one, but Sylar's powers would win the day. However, it's who is the most evil. Angelus has been torturing and killing people - just for fun. He's more evil than any human could hope to be.
| Nov 6, 2009 12:02PM EST
When he gets a soul he's not Angelus anymore....once again this is about Angelus...not Angel!!!!stopping mentioning him getting a soul cause then he's not Angelus for the umpteenth time. You Sylar riders really arent giving anything that proves that that he is more evil than Angelus.....while the Angelus supporters are actually backing up their claims....I feel Sylar fans jsut wanna believe deep in their hearts that Sylar is more evil but he really isn't
| Nov 6, 2009 10:37AM EST
They are both badass, and im glad that nobody forgot about Angelus.But Angelus is a vampire and does not have soul, and thats why his sadistic, when he gets one his all schoolboy..While Sylar is just killing to grow his powers..They are both tough, but in their hearts and soul only Sylar would actually kill an innocent people.
| Nov 6, 2009 4:38AM EST
Sylar is the evilest evil :S he doesnt even have love for himslef Btw he rocks ^.^
| Nov 6, 2009 12:13AM EST
There are two things that makes a TRUE villian! 1. The amount of deaths and how they died.Angelus of course wins this one. first of all Silas does not have 200 years of mayhem destruction and torture, Angelus does! He killed people, he tortured them, and just to amuse himself he would kill ANYBODY connected to the victim. Of course he will kill the relatives in front of that person so he suffers! I also like to mention that his favorite snacks were babies! "I wanna torture you. I used to love it, and it's been such a long time. I mean, the last time I tortured someone, they didn't even *have* chainsaws." 2. The purpose behind the murders (or lack of)!The thing about Angelus is that there is no deep purpose in killing people! He is sadist, he enjoys to see people suffer! For him is very amusing! and i quote! "Hey, I’m an open book. Anything you want to know. (pause) How sweet that virgin gypsy tasted? Special smell of a newborn’s neck? My first nun? No that’s a great story." I think i made my point ^_^
| Nov 5, 2009 10:07PM EST
If this was for most cut-throat than Lex Luthor wins that hands down...also for biggest prick ever.
| Nov 5, 2009 9:49PM EST
For the last time its not buffy fans its ANGEL fans for god sake it was a legendary series and the fact people cant seem to realise Angel and Angelus are two different people "OH Please sylar killed his mum!!!" yes he was basicly crying not wanting 2 cause his mom called him the devil and ACCIDENTALLY stabbed her Angelus killed his mum, dad and little sister happily merrily demonicly (and he did FAR worst things than this not every month or couple of months like sylar EVERY DAY OR SECOND DAY including driving people insane a RARE feat) lastly almost destroying the world by getting it sucked into a hell dimention Also you talk about sylars power in theory but the beast who blotted out the sun angelus beat him and since angelus and angel have the same power angel has also took out 2 GODS and hundreds if not thousands of demons Sylar killed dozens angelus killed hundreds of thousands and killing isnt the worst thing There was only 2 people on that list Sylar who was in a lower Ballpark far outside it the only person on that list who acctually came very near angeluses greatness and power was yellow-eyes thats it and I love sylar btw but angelus is the king even angel his good side while good has killed many more than sylar
| Nov 5, 2009 8:03PM EST
YAYAYAYYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAAYAYYAAYYAYAYAYAAYAY Angelus won!! yayahe is way more evil then sylar any day of the week. =D
| Nov 5, 2009 4:54PM EST
angelus is more evil then syler..he ate babies when syler just cuts ppls heads plus angelus so much hotter lol
| Nov 5, 2009 1:04PM EST
Sylar is cool but he only kills for powers and sometimes people who get int he way the reason why angelus not only does he kill a person he kills the entire family and all there friends and he doesn't even bother to feed
| Nov 5, 2009 1:02PM EST
syler could probably kill angelus. but that doesnt make him evil. he is overpowered and that makes him just stupid... angelus has weakspot but still managed to carve a huge death trail in his wake....invincible is too easy.
| Nov 5, 2009 12:39PM EST
Angelus is a pretty evil sob, but I think that the yellow-eyed demon should have won or at least beaten Sylar. I mean come on! The guy's end game was to release the DEVIL! Not to mention all the other crap that he has done through the seasons. Angelus, when he wasn't going after Buffy, never had a plan. He was just pure destruction, killing everything in his path. Yellow eyes was so much more dangerous because there was a method to his madness.
| Nov 5, 2009 2:58AM EST
between the two, i think Sylar should have won, but between them and anyone else, General Zod from Smallville is the most evil villain. forget "slaying humans", he destroyed a whole planet!
| Nov 5, 2009 1:20AM EST
sylar should have won :(
| Nov 4, 2009 11:55PM EST
ANGELUS- is the best evil guy cuz he kills miss calenderand before he got cursed with a soul he would torture children and women also men not just kill them he enjoyed it when he was with darla he actually saved a baby for her to eat !!!! ANGELUS HAS MY VOTE I LOVE BUFFYWHO CARES ABOUT HEROES
| Nov 4, 2009 9:02PM EST
sylar killid his own mum!! please...n i'm a buffy fan!
| Nov 4, 2009 6:45PM EST
Sloane is the more evil but people assume that evil is defined by who or what is more powerful.
| Nov 4, 2009 5:40PM EST
i think Dark Willow should have won for the Buffyverse. Willow was able to restore Angelus's soul even before she was really even a witch yet, let alone the most badass dark witch ever. she'd turn Angel back into a harmless lovesick puppy and then stomp his ass.
| Nov 4, 2009 5:09PM EST
Come on! Most people give perfectly sound arguments. This is not a question of how evil the characters are.(Not that I think evilness can be measured. Either you are or you aren't, sometimes you are and sometimes not. So, is it measured in time or perhaps frequency?)The real dispute here is about the definition of the word evil.And one also has to keep in mind that most characters exist in different worlds. With different sets of natural and physical laws. They may be comparable but the characters of different universes are definitely not proportional to each other, only to the world they live in.
| Nov 4, 2009 4:22PM EST
Angelus really did some very very evil stuff. So i m pleased !
| Nov 4, 2009 1:19PM EST
Buffy series was like 2 bilion years ago get over it :P new villains > old villains Sylar>Angel
| Nov 4, 2009 6:49AM EST
angelus is definately the most evil. he is just sooo evil. and he actually enjoys it. seriously! evil!
| Nov 4, 2009 3:26AM EST
bscreamqueen good point. I come on back here after several days and find out that this argument is still an issue? Angelus eats babies.Angelus eats babies.Seriously, Sylar-fanatics. I like Heroes and all, but stop whoring something that doesn't compare.Angelus eats babies.There is no argument, Sylar doesn't eat babies. Until Sylar eats babies, stop trying to argue that he is more evil then Angelus. Oh and for those who are using the alter-ego angle? Stop, you're looking like idiots who either haven't watched the shows or just plain forget. For one, when Liam became a vampire Liam lost his soul and became the being Angelus. Angelus terrorized, maimed, tortured, ATE BABIES, for hundreds of years. Angelus ate some gypsy broad and got CURSED with a soul, which meant Liam came back, whom took it upon himself to change his name to Angel. He ain't no Clark Kent, he didn't wear a cape all of a sudden and became Angel. Theres gypsies involved! No alter-ego, he ain't no super hero nor is he some sort of scitzo-- Wait why the hell am I even explaining myself HE ATE BABIES!
| Nov 4, 2009 1:52AM EST
Dark Willow is badass, but the best man won, pure evil, lack of soul, if Xander had stood in front of him. Angelus would not have broke down and cried. P.s Sylar doesn't even come close....sorry
| Nov 4, 2009 1:27AM EST
I am madly in love with Sylar, quite honestly. He is one of the most well-written characters I have ever seen, and Zachary Quinto is a phenomenal actor. Altogether Sylar is not only my most fervent TV-crush, he's a character that I (a person in the trade of fiction) am in awe of. He's just damned entertaining. And sexy. Take this into account when I say that Angelus is indeed far more evil. Sylar has NEVER tortured or killed for the sake of sadism. He hasn't ever killed a child (in confirmed canon); he hasn't even raped anyone! (And most 'evil' men with Hayden Pantyliner -er, Panettiere RIGHT THERE and vulnerable . . .)He's felt a hella lotta guilt and developed in-depth reasoning to assuage it ("It's an evolutionary imperative!"). We've seen a possible future in which he chooses the path of good--something only people with some inherent good would be capable of, under the very difficult circumstances (the constant temptation, the habit of killing, the general lifestyle changes). Sylar has been evil for a couple of years. Before that he was a nerdy mamma's boy. Angelus was (if my memory serves correctly) a no-good drunk who would have amounted to little more than domestic abuse, and THEN he spent (what, 200?) years honing the craft of evil.Oh, and, he doesn't have a soul. There is no equivalent in the Heroesverse (Kringverse!), so it isn't entirely fair to bring it up; however, I am certain that Sylar does have a soul. Some of the Level Five villains we saw near the beginning of Season Three were, I think, an approximation of soulless persons in the Kringverse. Of course, the show did not focus on them long enough to shed much light, but they were pretty much sadistic f**ks. Sylar has NEVER shown sadism. Hell, I think he hesitated before stabbing/gutting/whatevering that bunny for taxidermy! Sylar's humanity is part of why we (I) love him so much. He is a different breed of monster. Definitely terrifying. Certainly powerful. Absolutely badass. NOT absolutely evil, which is the whole point of Angelus.*note that the monstrous malice of Angelus cannot be solely attributed to his lack of soul. We've met countless demons (Hell, Lorne! Anya, to an extent!) who do not display this tendency. Spike, and even Darla and Drusilla - Hell, THE MASTER - do not display this tendency!Angelus isn't just soulless: He's Batshit F**king Murderous. 24/7. Intelligently. /End argument.
| Nov 3, 2009 11:34PM EST
airforce: your thinking of angel who is in truth a completely different person from angelus, and he ate babies and tortured, raped, and killed practically a person a day for 200 years. seriously? sylar is not essentially evil, he is just and power hungry. he doesnt take sadistic pleasure from hurting people, the only reason he even opens peoples heads is to get their powers. angelus just does it because he loves seeing people suffer, whether he's killing them or their loved ones.
| Nov 3, 2009 11:32PM EST
The whining is funny. Anyway, I do like Sylar, but I think it needs to be taken into account that he is only better than all the crappy characters he's surrounded by. And he is on a supremely inferior TV show to BtVS. You can't even compare the two. Heroes is the worst show to ever be this popular. But, I do like Sylar. Not sure why. Anyway, keep up the whining!
| Nov 3, 2009 10:56PM EST
i don't think dark willow really counts as a villain. thats sorta like saying that an alcoholic with severely misguided destructive coping mechanisms is inherently bad. she did some terrible things but i think its using the word pretty loosely to call her a villain and lump her in with sylar, angelus, yellow eyed demon...i mean a demon, seriously? sure maybe she could kick their asses but is she a villain? she played the antagonist for a season but still not a villain in my opinion.
| Nov 3, 2009 9:36PM EST
WTF? It seems from reading most of these comments the people who are bad mouthing angelus,many never even watched both of the shows. Or barely caught a few episodes.. I mean " He tortured a few people, sure, but seriously? Not that bad. He didn't even kill any of them" . Yeah he did kill people, he was methodical ,cold calculating bastard. I think he was something closer to ted bundy. . He was a sociopath who mind fucked people before torturing and killling them. Or at the very least, would kill their friends and loved ones leaving them alive just to taunt them and watch them suffer. And dude, he ate babies ! lol comeon
| Nov 3, 2009 9:02PM EST
Am a fan of both and Sylar realy should have won.
| Nov 3, 2009 8:43PM EST
Can somebody tell me how to go about making one of these poll/contest things? Alternatively, can someone PLEASE make one for "most BADASS (or awesome, if you'd like) TV Villain"? Because I think a lot of people would agree that the results would be VERY different. For one thing, I'm almost certain that Spike would win out over Angelus. And there're many more differences. I'm serious about making this thing happen!
| Nov 3, 2009 6:42PM EST
well played to you,too, lordspanq :) you're someone who is hard to argue with because you can back up your opinions so well. but yeah, i see where you are coming from, but I still don't agree. I guess our individual views and ideas are too different for this debate to be won lol. and yeah, this thread is wearing me down as well. so in the end, angelus won. in many ways sylar deserved to...but it all came down to years,experience, and the nature of the villain...which sorta overruled sylar unfairly. angelus was just your 100% concentrated traditional brand of evil. hard to deny. but i think a lot of people still don't know what they are talking about, which i'm going to try and ignore. now shall we all move on? lol p.s KISSxMExIMxIRISH19, I do realize that cake-baking sylar was only a potential future self. but he is still considered an alter ego. in essence.
| Nov 3, 2009 6:03PM EST
What no way! Syler was so much worse! ive seen both shows anglis was good for over half of the series! and saved the world (and his so called nemesis) multiple times! Anglis was a vampire...if you have seen one you have seen them all....Syler chopped off the heads of his victims and ate there brains to absorb there powers. I thought this was a villain competition not a who is cooler. Anglis should have not made it past DARK willow....I mean come on she was the embodiment of evil! But back to my original argument Anglis was a vampire....there made to be evil. Syler is a human with a soul who can kill and rape the mind of his own kind!!!!
| Nov 3, 2009 4:33PM EST
this is in reply to Winchester_Chic: Angelus is a demon who tried to bring about the apocalypse but even worse than Yellow eyes, my dude ate babies......I don't know feeding them demon blood and eating them, which is worse to you......Also FYI if you read Angel: After the Fall (which is canon), Angelus will be responsible for the apocalypse.
| Nov 3, 2009 2:59PM EST
Yellow Eyed Demon should have won. He's a demon, makes a plan to bring on the apocalypse- and actually does bring on the apocalypse. He bleeds demon blood into infants mouths to make them more likely to either become evil as hell or possessed. ... no one in the list can beat that.
| Nov 3, 2009 2:56PM EST
I still think Sylar just wanted powers and whatnot he isn't actually a truly evil person who kills and tortures for his own pleasure. He's very nonchalant about it and just doesn't carem whereas Angelus is a satist and takes pleasure in pain and suffering. That, my friends, is true evil. Now, if I was talking about which I like more and not which is more evil, I might pick Sylar. However, since we aren't being asked who could beat the other and who we like, Angelus is definitely more evil than Sylar. I agree with zz.
| Nov 3, 2009 2:53PM EST
So glad Angelus won. Have the people who disagree even seen "Passion"? He pretty much tortures Jenny, snaps her neck because apparently she isn't even worth feeding off, then sets up an elaborate date scenario at Giles apartment complete with love notes and flowers, leading to her dead body. Then he stands by to watch the reactions of those close to her. And thats just one example of how truly evil and sadistic Angelus is. There was no contest.
| Nov 3, 2009 2:00PM EST
I agree with Farghes.What I don't understand is how in the world Dark Willow beat out The First, she wasn't evil, she was just heart broken. The First is evil but doesn't enjoy being evil like Angelus does.Now if they had put Spike up there he would have lost cause he did choose to have his soul and to be good. Angelus is more evil.
| Nov 3, 2009 1:14PM EST
Waaaa Angelus the best <3 love him.
| Nov 3, 2009 12:38PM EST
angelus who is he???but yellow eyed deamon is the worst!!!
| Nov 3, 2009 12:20PM EST
snd11, the sylar that bakes cakes and looks after his son is not an alter ego, it's his future self. The evil Sylar doesn't exist at the same time as the 'other' Sylar and therefore can't be compared with a character with two personalities that exist together. Sylar should have won.
| Nov 3, 2009 11:36AM EST
I agree with Yiikez- Yellow-eyed demon should've won :)
| Nov 3, 2009 7:38AM EST
The only villain who could have topped Angelus would have been Lucifer.
| Nov 3, 2009 3:40AM EST
To Yiiekz:Now I haven't watched angelus, but sylar is the most vile villian i've seen, and I thought maryann should have fought him in the last round.(plus you say that only dean can kill the deamon, but the only one capable of killing maryann is maryann, or the god she thinks is coming. She makes people drag their friends hearts out and trick them into eating them, she makes all the people in town crazy and the only reason she can do all these things is because she belives she can, Now THATS evil. Pure evil.)
| Nov 3, 2009 3:30AM EST
And... Well Played snd, Well played indeed ;) I look forward to stepping another 20 paces and firing on a different topic. (hint hint admins)
| Nov 3, 2009 3:27AM EST
Your rush is totally pardoned my friend ;) I thought we were done until the movie villain thread might start! But Angelus and Angel are 2 sides of the same coin, just like Petrelli -senior- and Sylar are the same characters for all intents and purposes one just had couth and the other was an angry young supe. I mean how Hollywood fleshed out the characters for our personal enjoyment is a point of parliamentary procedure. Long story short, Angelus made Angel possible, and vice versa, I mean hell combined they are reason why Angel gotta spin off, the whole redemption angle, developing the antihero, etc etc. I mean COME ON MAN, do you think either would have been inked onto paper with out the other? They are the same character, just scizo'd out to make more episodes and a seemingly deeper internal struggle which in essence created the complete persona. This thread is starting to eat my soul ;) I <3 Sidereel ;) and merkick was kinna right, It was all crap until Angel got his own series (oooohhhh thats gonna get some whinin' an cryin!)
| Nov 3, 2009 2:49AM EST
buffy sucks. lame show.
| Nov 3, 2009 2:22AM EST
the biggest reason that sylar deserves to come in second in my opinion is that from what i remember (i must admit i gave up on the show in the beginning of season 3), the character's motivation is more power. they never seem to indicate that he particularly likes killing thing, or hurting people. he wants their power. at least up until where i watched he only killed if it satiated his lust for power/power over others. he detests feeling ordinary/powerless. angelus....likes to destroy. period. he enjoys coming up with new ways to destroy lives physically and emotionally. he'll do it slow, take his time. he'll do it quick. whatever. he's pretty much a mastermind when it comes to the destruction of human life in all its forms. he seems to enjoy killing, but will let a person live if thats worse. and his targets dont necessarily always have a rhyme or reason. sometimes they do...sometimes they dont. it his game and his whim and intellect dictates the rules as he goes. the only rule that stays constants is that he means the worst harm he can possibly inflict just for the fun of it. the contest wasnt worst villain with a soul. its just worst villain. id prefer the villain i can understand, maybe even predict once in a while. id much rather have to deal with sylar. with angelus, no one is safe, no one stands a chance, no one has the slightest clue what he got up his sleeve.
| Nov 3, 2009 2:16AM EST
well done. i agree
| Nov 3, 2009 2:16AM EST
Also, Sylar would not kill Angelus. Sylar is retarded. He got gunned down by Noah and then had his throat slit, and his powers would play out to his advantage in a fair fight which Angelus surely wouldn't give him. Arguably it's the weak writing on the show that hinders Sylar, but all we know of him is what we see on screen and Sylar's written like an idiot. Angelus would take him out from a hundred yards away with a sniper rifle, and then sever his head from the rest of him. In a fair fight, based on powers/overall strength, Sylar. In anything outside of a street fight, where tactics came into play, Sylar's done for. He lost to Peter. And then got mind-wiped by Parkman. Angelus would kill him in his sleep, and then eat him for good measure. As long as they fight after sunset.
| Nov 3, 2009 1:47AM EST
the poll is for the most evil villain. Sylar should have won. Although i'm a hardcore Buffy fan (only missed 2 episodes in 7 years), I can still see that Angelus is only evil b/c he doesnt have a soul. Sylar was evil before he even realized he had an ability and remained evil despite attempts to reform him and even despite sex with a cute little blonde. Sylar is totally the most evil. all day, every day.
| Nov 3, 2009 12:52AM EST
I think the people who are arguing that Angelus is Angel are kinda basing their opinions more on Angel from Buffy (the Show) and not so much on Angel from.. his own show. It's not until Angelus shows up on "Angel" that we really begin to learn about the nature of the beast.First off, on Buffy, he's not called Angelus.. he's still called Angel. As much as I love Giles, I feel that he should have corrected this little faux-pas on behalf of the Scoobies. On "Angel", we actually get a glimpse into the nature of Angelus. "Angel" makes it very clear that Angelus is just a watered down demon who is, for lack of a better word, "possessing" Liam... erm.. I mean Angel. So, with this tidbit of info, I think we can move past the whole alter-ego argument. I mean, really, would you say that Satan was the alter-ego of the little girl in The Exorcist? If you would, please go smack your head against a wall until your forget what candy tastes like.Also, I would like to point out a typical trait of "Evil Characters". More often than not, they pose a threat to the heart of domestic life. This is known as "The Beast at the Hearth" or "The Monster in the Marriage Bed". Sylar.. threatens the Becketts I suppose.. but other than that, he really only ever threatens all of humanity.. which isn't domestic life.. that's just.. all of life. Now, you might think that this makes him more evil.. but I disagree.. I would just say that he's kinda insane. Angelus on the other hand, wants to destroy peoples lives. He hunts the friends and family of his victims first. He killed Ms. Calendar and then set up a romantic trail for Giles to follow before stumbling across her dead body in his bed.. see... that's what it means to attack the domestic life styles.Sylar just wanted people dead, Angel wanted people to suffer for his own personal amusement before killing them. Now that's just cold.
| Nov 3, 2009 12:43AM EST
Seriously? Angelus wasn't as evil as Sylar is. Angelus was evil because he had no soul as a vampire, with a soul he was not evil. Sylar on the other hand is human,has a soul and is still EVIL.
| Nov 3, 2009 12:33AM EST
And Sylar has heart, Angel technically may, but it doesn't. Anyways Hearts have absloutely nothing whatsoever to do with someones empathy and personality. Angel, who can't have feelings, doesn't have anything to do with it anyway because everything about him that makes him even slightly human is lost when he loses his soul and becomes angelus. Its almost like a person with multiple personality disorder, only with vampires: they are completely separate entities that inhabit the same body and neither can do anything about what the other thinks or decides to do. They are essentially two completely different people.
| Nov 3, 2009 12:26AM EST
I think everyone is forgetting that Sylar has a soft side and he may not have changed the essential fiber of his being, he was pursuaded to change for a short time by either Angela, Arthur, or Elle like three times. Angelus on the other hand can't change and doesn't have any choice in the mater because he has no soul and can't feel empathy or remorse, which are what make it possible for us to not be evil. So, if you really think about Angelus is the epitomy of evil and no one else can compare. Sylar and Willow both have souls and have the ability, and sometimes or usually are, to be empathetic and not evil. Thus, because they are human they will always have some small part of them that is good. Angelus has nothing about him that can be good because the only thing that makes Angel good is his soul, which Angelus doesn't have.
| Nov 3, 2009 12:22AM EST
YES!!!!
| Nov 3, 2009 12:11AM EST
Angelus is certainly one of the more evil of Whedon's creations. But if we are talking about power there are any number of villains who would dust Angelus without a second glance. Sylar included.
| Nov 2, 2009 11:58PM EST
Angelus, not angel was under consideration. Angelus spent hundreds of years killing thousands of men, women and children: his favorite being babies. He loved playing with his food before eating them and he was able to create labyrinths of deception to hide his final goal. Destroying the world was never his intent. When people in the shows stated that he was going to destroy the world, he wasn't causing a meteor to crash into the planet. He was allying himself with great evils, for which to stab in the back later. He wanted a people to live in total misery with a new hell on earth situation. He was the best choice. I hate dollhouse, Joss
| Nov 2, 2009 11:45PM EST
kraklaha, this isnt about angel.get your facts straight.anyway, i give up trying to explain to you guys.i wasn't trying to change anyone's views, per se. i was just trying to explain mine and correct those who don't know what they are talking about because it puts them at a disadvantage. i guess there is just no getting through to you guys. i guess you can't argue with ignorance.
| Nov 2, 2009 11:32PM EST
You people seem to forget something.... Angel is Angel completely... Soul and all... And sorry to disappoint all of you, but He actually HAS a heart and cares... Sorry, sylar on the other hand is truly evil. No heart, no concern, he has no moral standard of his own volition... The future was a possibility that sylar could be good again (which he proved that he was still evil when they killed his son) Just because people are Buffy crazed is the only reason angel won... he isn't even a villain anymore, active show time, not simply what could be...he doesn't even qualify
| Nov 2, 2009 10:46PM EST
alright, lordspanq, if you're gonna use the alter ego card. lets compare alter egos.(though i still don't think angelus is an alter ego at all. they're different personalities and characters completely. oh & btw, there is a difference between losing your soul and going vampire demon[angelus] and losing someone you love[willow]. willow was still herself just wrathful. angelus&angel is a whole different story.) angelus' alter ego is angel, you say? mmk, so angel kicks bad guy ass and broods(which yeah, is a bit pathetic sometimes, but the guy is trying to find redemption. what else would you do?) what does sylar's alter ego(aka better self) do? bake cakes and takes care of his son in a suburban home. now lets compare and contrast. do you see sylar out there using his powers? angel is fighting fire with fire. while sylar totally shrunk(or could have) lower than angelus did(again, I'm trying to look from your point of view.) even angelus' alter ego, which you seem to be saying is angel, is badder than sylar's. angel isn't evil, but nor is he as good and generic as sylar's alter ego/future self. & teslanikla, angelus DID kill people. he's responsible for so many massacres that he's made it into textbooks in the buffy world. btw, even if angelus didn't kill many people, well...let's just say if you think death is the worst possible thing someone can do to you, think again. oh and p.s.:angelus didn't want to just kill them. he wanted to crush them by using their own insecurities and weaknesses against them. c'mon, sylar never put that much time and effort into his victims. oh and please excuse my bad grammar and the like. i rushed and i'm too tired to go back and fix it.
| Nov 2, 2009 10:36PM EST
Im not suprised you just cant mess with angelus with his irish accent was sad wen angel got canceled but still a big fan of the show 1 of my top 5 if not my top show but i do like angel (David Boreanaz) in bones also in my top
| Nov 2, 2009 10:18PM EST
so glad thaet angelus won. to me he is the definition of evil. he not only physicly tortures ppl he mentaly tortures them by making them watch as their loved ones are murdered. i love joss whedon and almost all that he does and im probably not the only one who thinks that joss is a freaking genius.
| Nov 2, 2009 10:08PM EST
I really think that "the yellow-eyed demon" should have won, I mean the only being capable of killing him is goddamn Dean Winchester. Now, that's a lot. Sylar and Angelus are just not good enough, compared to Dean they're just.. how should I put it? .. not good?(uglier)
| Nov 2, 2009 10:04PM EST
I agree w/mr. tesla, and not just for the AC thing ;)
| Nov 2, 2009 9:59PM EST
lame.
| Nov 2, 2009 9:39PM EST
eh tesla angel was angelus for a few hundres years before BtVS started. and during that time he tortured and killed alot more people than sylar ever have, in some pretty vicious ways. and the whole angel and angelus being the same guy thing. if thats an argument you could say sylar isnt really evil because it's his power making him that way. if sylar didnt have his original power he would be a perfectly nice guy with about a gazillion other powers :P Angelus wins hands down. i still dont see how sylar beat Yellow-eyes though. releasing satan and aiming to kill a few billion people isnt so bad these days apparently :D
| Nov 2, 2009 9:21PM EST
are you kidding me? Sure, Angel was bad at one point but that's only because he lost his freaking soul, and even then he wasn't that bad. He tortured a few people, sure, but seriously? Not that bad. He didn't even kill any of them. And that was for like what, the shortest amount of time ever. And then Angel goes and gets his soul back and is all good to go and definitely should not be winning the most vile villan ever. Anyone could easily be awful if they got their soul taken away, but his character as a whole was a good guy.I mean he's beating out the freaking yellow-eyed demon who wanted the end of the world. How is this possible exactly? I just don't think it's right on. Angel, good guy.
| Nov 2, 2009 9:07PM EST
But I'm stickin' w/my guns, call it evolution or poor plot twists but Angelus is Angel (either by accidental Whed-o-cide or just the illustration of the inevitable dark side that exists in every antihero) and no self respecting bad guy does that, just ask Gannon and Sephiroth! Now you can pull the soul switch thing on me and tell me they weren't the same guy in "spirit", but I would direct you to the fictional concept of the alterego ;) They are different parts of the same guy. Were really running the kayfabe to the max here though LOL. And yes Snd, I'm a HUGE Angel fan -and a Gamma lover!!!- I <3 the antihero from Elric to Corwin! But, I disagree with the dark willow/willow xander thing, The entity that was dark willow was anything but willow and her ability to push that out was what won it over, kinna like Angel and Angelus LOL. Like you said, in essence different characters no? SO, how about Movie Villains!!!! Next thread Admins!!!!
| Nov 2, 2009 9:01PM EST
for all you people who think dark willow should have won because she flayed a guy: Willow isn't pure evil. she just got super-charged with dark magic. but in the end, when xander stops her, you know that she really isn't evil. she was just angry and grief-stricken. that isn't pure evil. it all goes down to the nature of a person and who they REALLY are deep down. and willow is good. she overcame her rage.so yeah, even though she could kill everyone. she isn't the most evil. not at all.
| Nov 2, 2009 8:59PM EST
honestly i dont see how the "final" wasn't Yellow-eyes vs angelus. now that would be a most evil fight in my book. i honestly belive both angelus and YED are leagues ahead of sylar when it comes to pure evil. sylar is mad but there's method to his madness. most the people he has killed has been to get their powers or because they were in his way. in my opinion killing for no reason or for pleasure is more evil that killing to further your goal. sure sylar has killed in some pretty nasty ways but i'd say close to all the times he has killed thus far has had a reason or point to it. Angelus kills just because he likes it. and yellow-eyes was a key person in setting lucifer loose on the world, the goal being to kill billions. sylar killing a few dozen people or however many people he has killed so far dont compare
| Nov 2, 2009 8:55PM EST
I think there's confusion between "Angel" and "Angelus".When I voted yesterday it looked like Sylar was in the lead, but I'm glad Angelus won - not just because I'm a Buffy/Angel fan, but because he really is that evil!
| Nov 2, 2009 8:43PM EST
Yeah, the right man won. Angelus is the most evil person on that list. Sylar still has a vulnerable side. Deep down he's just looking for his mommy's love. Angelus ate his mummy.
| Nov 2, 2009 8:42PM EST
i agree with angelus, sylar MAY win in a fight but angelus is still more evil, it's whats on the inside that counts people
| Nov 2, 2009 8:34PM EST
As many people have said, Angelus is just evil. Not only is he evil, he's an evil psychopath. Sylar might be able to beat Angelus in a fight.. but.. so could Buffy... doesn't mean Buffy should have been on this list. And.. I agree about Angel and Angelus being two separate entities.Oh.. and to those of you who are still whining about Dark Willow being worse that Angelus and using "she flayed a guy" as their argument... all she did was use magic (which, let's face it, is a pretty average thing for Willow) to quickly remove a guys skin.. painful? yes. drawn out? no. Angelus actually took his time to kill people. He played with them. He's a sadistic, evil psycho who nails puppies to church doors!
| Nov 2, 2009 8:32PM EST
To be honest Maryanne should have won she is immortal and has those nifty claws.
| Nov 2, 2009 8:18PM EST
Angelus, legend! Is it odd that I find him sexy?? Ladies?*wink wink*
| Nov 2, 2009 8:16PM EST
I'd rather see ben and lex.
| Nov 2, 2009 7:58PM EST
Sylar is undeniably scary and virtually invincible but we are talking about the most evil not the most powerful angelus has like 200 odd years of killing on sylar! Oh and we are not talking about angle if you watched the program obviously you would know they are not the same! Although I do think the yellow eyed demon, the first and dark willow are badass!
| Nov 2, 2009 7:51PM EST
are u kidding? Sylar should have won hands down D:, was fixed =P
| Nov 2, 2009 7:37PM EST
This whole chart is wrong, Dark Willow is way more vile and badass than Angelus. Sure Angelus fed off people, but Dark Willow flayed a guy.
| Nov 2, 2009 7:32PM EST
Wait... now it says "most vile" villain...?!?! people were using the question "most evil" villain...even then, i still vote that sylar is more evil-- he stabbed his mother with a pair of scissors and made a picture out of her blood-- just because he can--he kills just for their brains, doesn't care who they are, he just wants more power--manipulated Maya and Alejandro in season 2 to fight against each other just so he could take Alejandro out of the picture (for Maya's power)-- the way he killed Isaac Mendez with the paintbrushes, brutal-- he's invincible and shows no sign of stopping his madness--took over Matt Parkman's body, just because he can, and before then he was messing with his mind--Sylar killed a woman and afterwords asks, "Who wants cake?"Bullshizz that he didn't win...
| Nov 2, 2009 7:08PM EST
If Sylar wanted to kill Angelus, that would take him 2 seconds, in by the meantime he could cook some cupcakes.Angelus is pure evil, but Sylar is the hottest badass ever. He's powerful as hell.
| Nov 2, 2009 6:43PM EST
Out of that entire list Sylar was the least evil, that dude from One Tree Hill is more evil then Sylar :P seriously guys. Nah I'm kidding, just yankin ya. Sylar in his own is cool, but not as cool nor as evil as Angelus. Angelus like I've said before is pure evil, he didn't decide to be evil nor was he pushed to being evil he is just in his entire being evil. As for the whole Angel being a good guy when he gets his soul, its not the same, in ones opinion it would be more proper to say Angelus and Angel are totally different people, and like Angelus didn't chose nor was pushed to be evil, he just WAS evil. Angelus didn't have a choice to have a soul and become the hero Angel. Angelus without a doubt is more evil then Sylar, and like one said in alternate time lines Sylar can become good-- In an alternate time line Angelus could never be anything close to good, only worse. Angelus one would say is pure evil, no ifs ands or buts. To be honest, if it was a true evil competition Sylar should have lost to Azazel aka Yellow-Eyes, the guy is a freakin demon who was apart of bringing on the apocalypse. Hes done a lot of more evil shit then Sylar, and until Sylar locks himself in a church with some nuns and tortures them THEN we'll talk. But I won't go into the whole brackets of who should have won because of this and that and who shouldn't have. Bottom line: Anyone thinking practically with extensive knowledge of both characters should easily determine that Sylar cannot by all current accounts and maybe all future accounts be more evil then a soulless demonic torturous vampire like Angelus. Sure Sylar can kick Angelus ass sideways into next week, but that doesn't make him more evil. Just stronger. Which this contest wasn't about. I'm glad Angelus won. Angelus ftw.
| Nov 2, 2009 6:30PM EST
oh and i have to agree with lumberjack. Azazel, the first, and angelus were pretty much the ultimate prime candidates since they were all excellent examples of pure evil. you don't get much worse than trying to bring the apocalypse, raise lucifer, etc.
| Nov 2, 2009 6:23PM EST
lordspanq, go back to the 4th round. i already replied to your mistake of thinking that angel and angelus are the same character. angelus doesn't become angel.and you must be a whedon fan on some level if you know about dark willow.ya big hypocrite lol. (^_~)there's nothing more fun than a good debate.it was a close contest, angelus only won by thirty.in the end, they are both pretty bad ass villains.
| Nov 2, 2009 6:20PM EST
I don't think it was fair to have Ben from 'Lost' on the list at this point. The series has yet to end so we do not know if the nature of his actions have been truly evil or if they were just perceived that way because we don't have all the fact. It would either be Sloane or Dr. Jones in that bracket, although neither are really that evil, they just have a screwed world view. If you are going on who is just the most evil, The First in 'Buffy' is just that but over all the actions of Angelus were most likely the actions seen as most evil to those watching the show. The First was evil but Angelus was sadistic, he enjoyed being evil, and that I think is much worse. In the Killers bracket I would say that we don't even know enough about the Trinity Killer yet to know how evil he is. He is mentally unstable but evil, it remains to be seen. Alpha is not evil, not really, he is psychotic due to the personalities in his mind but not evil. Maryann is just a drugged up crazy person in my mind, who has convinced herself if certain things so much so that she believes them to be true, not evil exactly but crazy for sure. That leaves Sylar, is he pure evil? No, but he is pure greed and that is one of the deadliest sins. Sylar is the most evil Killer. I don't know how Dan Scott or Damon expected to get out of that round at all with a Demon and Lex Luthor. Dan Scott is not evil, in fact he changes to someone trying to repent later in the show. Damon, though a vampire, also not evil. He helps when it suits him and obviously has the ability to be good if he tries and likely will be. If Superman is pure good, than Luthor is Pure evil. However I say Superman is about 85% good so Luthor is only 85% evil. The Yellow Eyed demon, Azazel, is as evil as it gets his goal to free the devil. Do you get more evil? On the left side it is Angelus hands down but on the right, between Sylar and YED, Azazel, I would have to go with Azazel. Sylar has moments were he tries to change and in alternate timelines he does so at his core he is not evil. So it would have to be Azazel v. Angelus. Both try and free the devil of sorts and both are as evil as they come but I think the edge is with Angelus because he just like it all so much more.
| Nov 2, 2009 6:18PM EST
I don't understand. I thought Sylar had an easy win here...
| Nov 2, 2009 6:16PM EST
Sry to all you Whedonites, I'm just havin' a lil fun :) I <3 the sidereel community, and quite honestly I think Dark Willow would have Pwn'd the whole ball!
| Nov 2, 2009 6:15PM EST
Okay, I'm a HUGE sylar fan, and I don't think he would have lost out to Angelus, but I also think tha tDark willow would have crushed Angelus, and Sylar... i mean... she Flayed a guy alive...
| Nov 2, 2009 6:11PM EST
"clearly a bitter sylar fan who has no idea of who or what angelus is, or what he has done!" Ok, so If thats the case, If Angelus was so deliciously Evil, then explain Angel ;) The most evil being on the planet suddenly decides to pack it up and be a good boy? Thats not evil, thats Ghey. p.s. to hear a Buffy fan say the word illiteracy and still take Buffy serious is just hilarious. ;)
| Nov 2, 2009 5:51PM EST
Phew! For a while there it looked like ignorance and illiteracy were going to win out. I am glad that the truly evil villain won out.
| Nov 2, 2009 5:49PM EST
yea sylar cut people heads of but angelus killed children and babies if im remembering right. he also killed people just cause he didn't like them.
| Nov 2, 2009 5:28PM EST
Ha nothing can stop the buffy fans of sidereel mwah ha ha haaaaaaaaaDelighted Angelus won- he is the true meanin of a heartless remorseless villian with no weaknesses or mercy :)
| Nov 2, 2009 5:06PM EST
Awesome :) If this were a contest of who would win a physical duel, I'd have to say Sylar, but I think Angelus is definitely the viler villain
| Nov 2, 2009 5:06PM EST
Yeah Angelus easily deserved it. So glad he won. Just glad sylar didn't win just cause he's still on tv, he's not even scary in heroes anymore anyway. Well done Angelus.
| Nov 2, 2009 4:30PM EST
I just think Sylar is even scary because he is also so human. If you would have the power, wouldn't you do everything you wanted, and slay everyone in the way?
| Nov 2, 2009 4:07PM EST
i wouldn't say angel is a evil villan but im pleased his won
| Nov 2, 2009 3:57PM EST
clearly a bitter sylar fan who has no idea of who or what angelus is, or what he has done!
| Nov 2, 2009 3:55PM EST
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! SYLAR IS THE MOST EVILIST GUY EVAARRRR!! He cuts the top of peoples head off!! I'm not a Heroes fan boy.... shhhhhh :P lol
| Nov 2, 2009 3:27PM EST
yea, well I can pick antagonists from General Hospital that are more evil than Whedon Vamps ;)
| Nov 2, 2009 2:58PM EST
Honestly I think The First should have won or should have atleast been more of a contender. The First Evil lost out to dark willow.....The living embodiment (more or less) of evil lost to a witch on a rampage cause she lost her lover.......still happy some people understand the evil that is Angelus

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