Whats the deal with ratings? why do some tv shows with good ratings/reviews/fanbase get cancelled whilst others with low ratings are still around.

For example Pushing Daisies, which averaged 9million viewers (13m at its best), has been canceled despite a great fanbase, critical acknowlegment and good ratings. However shows such as Dexter only average about 1mill viewers but hasnt been cancelled. dont get me wrong i think dexter is a great programme but im just confused. i would like to know how the system of tv viewership and the lifespan of a show works. I generally thought programs which averaged above the 2mill ratings were popular. I understand if tv progs are euthanised due to poor storylines/ cul de sac etc. i.e. the once great prison break (which still gets good ratings) and heroes which storylines seem to be going down an endless black hole .

Does it depend on the network the program is on, the budget etc. or all of it combined. if budget is the concern, then why does a show like the Tudors (as an example) which must cost a lot of $mula$ keep surviving despite only averaging less than 1 mill viewers. Now with talks of T:TSCC, Dollhouse (which average 3mill pw) about to be cancelled, can someone please shed some light on this matter for me as it has been bugging me since the great modern classic that is Pushing Daises was cruely cut short. Before T:TSCC is killed can someone please put me out of my misery.

Long live the pie makers and Jameron



Default avatar cat
Mar 17, 2009 10:52AM EDT

Well, Dexter and The Tudors are on Showtime. Showtime is a premium cable network, meaning people pay a subscription fee to watch it. The the shows don't need to pull as many viewers because it's more profitable per viewer.
Pushing Daisies was on ABC, which is a broadcast network. They need to pull alot more viewers to be profitable/sucessful. Especially airing in primetime. The ratings were falling, so they decided to replace it hoping something else could do better.
T:TSCC, Dollhouse are on FOX, on Friday. The ratings are somewhat below average, and both a very expensive to produce sci-fi shows.
So it's a combination on network / cost / timeslot.

Default avatar cat
Mar 18, 2009 1:08PM EDT

I wish Dollhouse and T:TSCC were on a different night. Friday nights are the worst night to air excellent shows. I know that I should watch it that night, but I'm typically busy starting my weekend. So, I try to always watch the episode on Saturdays and thru Fox or Hulu because I hope to God the powers that be are counting the number of times someone watches an episode thru the web. Honestly, I don't know that the networks care what kind of interent interest shows have. Plus, with Fox's history, they will 86 two of the best shows on television without giving much thought to it at all.

Default avatar cat
Mar 19, 2009 10:53AM EDT

Some shows make money on advertising and other shows make money on merchandising. The DVD sales as well as all of the other things you can turn something like Dollhouse or Terminator into are taken into account when the network executives have their timely meetings. Sarah Connor had a soundtrack debut about two months ago and depending on how well that did coupled with the season 1 boxset, I'm sure you will find a good indication as to where Sarah Connor stands when it comes to a third season.
shows like Heroes relied heavily on ad-revenue in its first two seasons, but I'm sure they're restructuring the way NBC takes care of the show now. For instance, you may start to notice a cutback in budget and characters.
Other issues to take into account are whether or the not the crew works well with the studio, or the actors and all other combinations. if the director and writer don't meet each others' demands, it's sometimes easier just to shut the entire project down instead of ruining the networks name over spilt milk. That's why I think Sarah Connor is still on. The entire team seems to work very well together. Not only that, but I think the show was first made to advertise the new movie. Now I'm thinking the network is going to use the movie to boost the ratings of the show. We'll see what comes out.

Default avatar cat
Mar 21, 2009 7:53PM EDT

Yeah does seem that some good shows with ok ratings do get the short end of the cancellation stick. However i agree with jackieu0225 the show changing days may help, how about Tuesdays linked up with fox's Fringe. I know it would make my Tuesdays more fun.

Default avatar cat
May 15, 2009 5:19AM EDT

you got to think about international popularity to
for example the Tudors is really popular in the uk and brings in good ratings each week
(still don't understand why we get it later even though its based in England and has tones of English actors xD)

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