Mary Winchester

After finding out Mary was a hunter did anyone else wonder why, in the pilot and she thought it was John standing in Sam nursery, she didnt realise the light that flickered in the hall meant a demon was present. All she did was to tap the shade as if there was faulty wiring. I love the show and am so grateful for this website as I live in the UK and would have to wait AGES for season 4 to be aired here. It would be great to hear what others think

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Dec 2, 2008 1:13PM EST

maybe because yellow eyes promised her that nothing supernatural will happen around her or her family, if she agrees to the deal, that she was out of routine?

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Dec 2, 2008 1:26PM EST

you would think that she would also have remembered the date that Dean told her to stay in bed and not get out

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Dec 2, 2008 1:31PM EST

In a way I think that Mary was probably after putting hunting out of her mind and deep down she probably did revert back and think it could have been but just didn't want it to. Plus like WhereAmI said Yellow Eyes did promise that nothing would happen to her or her family. So she probably did not even think about it, it has been 10 years after all.

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Dec 3, 2008 7:11AM EST

it has been 10 years since she hadn't hunted anymore. dean was stiil hunting in the 2nd season and he still lost sam when yellow eyes came for him and took him to that desert town. so you can't blame her for thinking it's just the wiring. and i don't think that she kept in mind that it's already been 10 years since the deal. she got out of practice.

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Dec 3, 2008 3:40PM EST

the ten year time difference would be the answer to crystaltips69 question too, she just didn't remember what dean told her, who would.
or a total different explanation: the light in the house flickered on an irregular basis with nothing supernatural behind it and she got used to it. :)
but i stick with that in the ten years since the deal nothing supernatural happend around her so she forgot about it and deans warning too.

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Dec 4, 2008 8:24PM EST

i dont really mind her forgetting the deal naturally (although as a hunter she should have probably remembered the deal she made with a daemon who killed her family and her lover in one night), or the whole timeline alteration having no significant impact (it was closer to T1 then T2 time travel, and that threw me (yes they're two(+) different types of fictional time travel, and yes, terminator is the standard)). what i mind is the colt that dean retrieved in the past, where did it go and such. its not like he returned it (although he said he would). for that matter wheres the current timeline colt? i know its in demonic hands, but if i recall, not only was it a key to a gateway from hell, but it could also kill "anything" (the daemon killing knife doesn't work on angels), why hasn't it made a reappearance?

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Dec 5, 2008 3:16AM EST

you guys seriously think that if your son came from the future and told you something, in 10 years you would forget about it? i just think that when they were writing the script in the first season they didn't know that they will make their mother a hunter too..

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Dec 5, 2008 4:30AM EST

I agree with you Qamber, that did seem the logical reason, that the writers didnt know they would make Mary a hunter at the time of the pilot. In response to NGrady666 the concept of time travel is very confusing. A good film which made sense of it is the remake of Time Machine with Guy Pierce. In that film he kept going back in time to try and save his fiance who was murdered, but no matter what he did she always died in different ways. He then realised that she would have to die otherwise he would never have had cause to make the time machine. This is a very plausable thought and makes perfect sense although I dont think the writers of SPN were going with this explanation I just think it was to do with not knowing how the story of the family was going to go or how long the series was going to last.

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Dec 5, 2008 7:18AM EST

maybe the writers didn't had in mind, at the time the pilot was made,that mary will be a hunter...but, come on, 10 years! most of us don't remember what have they promised one year ago...she might have been a hunter but she was also human...and, as i recall, dean hadn't said he was her son...he just said she'd have to promise...and she did. and after 10 years she forgot...as in shape as she'd be...after 10 years it was a small chance she'd remember that night, the promise.

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Dec 5, 2008 9:28AM EST

sure supernatural is a tv show and if any inconsistencies happen its because the writers didn't thought of it or forgot it but thats not a very satisfying explanation. not if one wants to explain inconsistencies based on the narrative of the show, on what happend so far.
that night she made the deal, john was killed by yellow eyes before her eyes and her parents as well and she could only save john by making the deal. after that dean, for her a stranger she just meet (like myth211 said he didn't told her hes her son from the future), tells her not to do something ten years ahead. that realy sounds like a hell of a night one wants to forget.
that mary just forgot about it or maybe wanted to forget seems to me a good explanation that fits in the narrative and leaves out the writers.who are responsible for what happens on the show anyway.
as for the colt maybe castiel returned it or time tends to correct itself like in the remake of the movie time machine that crystaltips69 mentions. maybe some events are bound to happen and the guy who had the colt in the first place got it back on his own.

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Dec 6, 2008 11:44PM EST

A coupe of things first.
Some of you have horrendous English. I have to read some of what you write two or three times before I understand what you're saying. Sorry. that's just a rant I've needed to get for a quite a while.
Now on to the topic at hand; I'm sure the writers knew full well that they were going to have Mary be a hunter. A detail that big doesn't just get pulled out of someone's ass one day...
So the simple explanation is that a traumatic experience happened to you so you forget about it. 10 years is a very long time for you to bury memories. You get good at it. True she was a hunter at one point, but again, 10 years is a long time and she did go through one of the most traumatic moments in life that anyone can experience.
And come on, you're telling me your lights never flicker? It happens at least once a year here and I live in the city (also light bulbs could die). For people like them living in rural Texas, it's most likely more frequent.
My two cents.

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Dec 7, 2008 9:14PM EST

oh my god - i always knew supernatural wasn't a smart show, but i never thought it would attract so many idiots...it is soooooo obvious that they had no idea, that she would be a hunter at that point... but after reading all your "explanations" i feel violated - get a brain for christs sake

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Dec 8, 2008 7:51AM EST

Couldnt agree more DerTick. Your comments make the most sense. I dont think the writers could have looked more than 60 episodes from the pilot. All said SPN is the GREATEST show and the only reason I posted this discussion is to see if others had noticed and what you all think. So thanks for all replys.

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Dec 8, 2008 2:29PM EST

Actually castiel said that the future would have happened ineveitebly so no mater wat dean said or did it wouldnt have made any diffrence. Since mary died in the past and dean went back to the past from the present he could hardly change the near future from the present. You know?

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Dec 9, 2008 1:28PM EST

Not really mrblah. Going off subject briefly can someone explain the title of the next episode "Criss ?? is a douche bag"? Is it an American phrase?

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Dec 9, 2008 3:20PM EST

The boys have made mistakes too in asylum when Sams torch goes out he just taps it and checks the batteries befroe he's attacked by the spirit. people make mistakes even hunters do if they didnt, they wouldn't be human. And as for forgetting the deal maybe Mary didnt forget the deal, maybe she just wasnt thinking straight i mean she'd just woken up and honestly put yourself in her posistion would you seriously suspect something? I would've thought it was my husband first too.

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Dec 9, 2008 3:24PM EST

oh and crystaltips69, The title of the next episode refers to the american magician Criss angel and douch bag is a derogitary term basically meaning sh*t head i think (I'm irish so im not sure on that bit) They're saying this because that paticular episode deals with two rogue magicians. Hope that helps

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Dec 11, 2008 11:34AM EST

Just a note: If you watch All Hell Breaks Loose: Part 1, you'll see that Mary did indeed know who he was. When she walks into the nursery, she says "It's You." In the previous episodes we never saw what she saw when she ran back up the stairs after seeing John in the chair in front of the tv. We only ever had John and Dean's perspective. Yellow Eyes, in All hell Breaks Loose, shows Sam what happened when Mary ran back in. However, Sam never questions what she said when she saw Yellow Eyes. I'm not sure why. We find out in Season 4 why. I think that the ten years plus the fact that she was half asleep still when she went to Sam's nursery, is reason enough not to think twice about one flickering light. Just my two cents. :*)

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Dec 11, 2008 12:45PM EST

Thanks bgraves. It never occured to me that Sam hadnt picked up on what he saw. Also I rewatched all hell breaks loose at the weekend and when they are all by the devils gate ang Jake is there his eyes briefly flicker yellow just like Sams did at the end of, I think it was Yellow fever. Again another thing I hadnt picked up on at the time.

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Dec 11, 2008 2:58PM EST

Oh! You're right crystaltips69... I hadn't picked up on that either! Thanks! :)

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Dec 12, 2008 2:23AM EST

To DarksunX who are you to tell people they have bad English, this is a comments line for a TV show so keep it to yourself and I am being nice you don't know why some people may write this way you don't like it don't read it. . .
Ok so about Mary, well I don't know about you but if I would have seen but lover died and kille a bunch of demon and make a deal with one of them it would been a day I wouldn't thing about it so give me a break about forgetting.

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Dec 13, 2008 2:21AM EST

The writers 100% knew they were going to make Mary a hunter. She knew who yellow eyes was from episode 1.

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Dec 18, 2008 9:05PM EST

k i have a couple replies..
first, NGrady666, they have the colt now. they got it back after the gateway to hell was opened. they dont have any more bullets and thats why they havent used it since and why we havent seen it. there were only 3 or 4 bullets when they got it and the last one was used to kill yellow eyes.
second, DarksunX, why do you think that the writers would 100% know that they would make Mary a hunter? they wrote a pilot. if they knew that they were going to make her a hunter they would have started showing that sooner then the 4th season (they didnt say she was a hunter when yellow eyes showed sam what happened i dont think, and im just watching season 3 now.. so im not suer if it was in there). and also as a show runs on, they come up with better story lines to keep it going and then they take those ideas and work them around what we have already seen. in episode 1 she didnt let on that she knew who he was at all. that wasnt until the end of season 2. the writers dont know everything when they are writing a pilot. they are just trying to make a good show and expand after it is aired.

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Dec 19, 2008 1:17AM EST

Stickerz I suggest you watch the WHOLE of series 3 before you start trying to debate it...
I'm not being nasty, theres just a whole lot you dont know

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Dec 19, 2008 11:59PM EST

haha yeaaaa... i watched a few more episodes and was wrong bout the colt. sorry.

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Dec 27, 2008 5:13AM EST

It's probably writters fault. It happens in all kinds of series. Nobody knows how far will their budget go. Look at Jericho for instance, they were cutoff in the middle. In Stargate they had the famous "3rd time it becomes invisible", refeering to the episode when they go to Anubis's mothership and they get the G'oauld pistol, which stuns, kills and finally makes invisible. This was way too powerfull so the writters cut that one off. Now that pistol only stuns and kills.These Errors happen in all the series and supernatural is no exception!

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Jan 2, 2009 10:41PM EST

Doesn't matter if she was a hunter or not. I doubt that the writers can plan everything 5 years in the future but it is still reconciled to the storyline. I am reminded of the Devil and Daniel Webster. She probably intended to keep her promise to Dean (there are some things you don't ever forget) but when the time came she hoped that she could weasel out of her deal with the demon and save her son. As a mom it was his safety she was concerned with, not her own. Her pretense that she thought it was someone else standing over his bed was just hope talking.

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Jan 14, 2009 7:38PM EST

If a demon told you he was coming to kill you in 10 years I dont care who you are, your NOT going to forget something like that. anyone would remember that. Same with deans warning you would remember that too!

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